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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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Dude! I will not even quote your message!
Alcohol and grass is all I ever ingested in college. Never acid. At the time, I thought that my growth was stunted. One guy once described me as "the straightest guy he had ever known." At that time (circa 1970) that term had no sexual orientation connotation, but rather meant that I was no hippie freak. In 1976 I enlisted in the US Air Force and underwent basic training. At that time, we were a mix of USAF Regulars (eg, me), Reserve, and Air National Guard. One of the latter two was a pudgy Jewish New Yorker. I know that because early on we had a stereotypical redneck TI (Training Instructor, like a DI only with a wide-brimmed blue cover). Early on, our TI assigned duties, including those in charge of marching recruits to Divine Services (yeah, we had to be marched almost everywhere). He made the assignments for marching the Protestants and then the Catholics. Then he asked if he had missed anybody else. This lone New Yorker raised his hand. "What else is there?", he thundered loudly. Meek response, "I'm Jewish." I will forever love that response to typical Christian hubris. That same recruit later shared with us about one New York City party where he was the "designated straight" at an LSD party including one or both of his parents having to make sure that nobody did anything physically dangerous to themselves. He talked about how tiresome it was to have to herd so many cats.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Dude! I will not even quote your message! I added to it another story.
dwise1 writes: Thats why you are dwise1 and I am dcrazy1 I dont think the 1-15 acid and mushroom trips I took ever had long term effects on my mental health today, but I doubt I could prove it in a court. The more questions they asked about my past and about my present beliefs, the more I would hurt my own case! Alcohol and grass is all I ever ingested in college. Never acid."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: I like the ice cream pun! Nice touch!
Brothers and sisters, are you lost? Do you find no cosmic purpose to life? Do you feel helpless within yourself and are you seeking the comfort and guidance of a greater power? Welcome to our Sundae Service. If comfort and guidance are what you seek then you will find them in family, both the family you are given and the extended family you gather around you. The only purpose in this universe is the purpose you give it. If you have love to give then give it to family. They need it more than the ghost. I was about ready to poke fun and ridicule this statement. Then I reread it. And thought to myself how old AZPaul hit the nail on the head! The Ghost does not need love. He needs simply for us to love...each other. And the demons hate this. Of course they hate everything...even creamy chocolate sundaes. They are incapable of love but quite capable of seduction. Now on to ole Hitch. *listens*
quote:Priceless. Hitch writes: (1) do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or their color.(2) do not ever even think of using people as private property or as owned or as slaves (3) despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations (4) hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child (5)do not condemn people for the inborn nature (why would God create so many homosexuals only in order to torture and destroy them?)(6) be aware that you too are an animal and dependent on the web of nature try and think and act accordingly (7) don't imagine that you can escape judgment if you rob people with a false prospectus rather than with a knife (8)Turn off that cell phone! you can have no idea how unimportant your call is to us (9) denounce all jihadists and Crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions(10)be willing to renounce any God or any faith if any holy Commandments should contradict any of the above. in short, don't swallow your moral code in tablet form Not bad! Hitch proves that God loves atheists."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1065 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
I am only replying to the OP. I find the need for a special post, intended to humiliate or harass people with a different belief set to be appalling. I am shocked and disappointed that this thread was allowed to produce so many pages of animosity. What is the purpose of this thread other that to foment discord?
I will pray for the OP that the love and peace of Jesus can come into their life, the way it has filled mine. When you finally do feel that love and peace, all you want to do is share it with everyone, especially non believers because we see your struggles that neednt be...
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No one is ridiculed for their beliefs but rather thinking beliefs are evidence of fact or reality itself is what is so ridiculous.
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robertleva Member (Idle past 1065 days) Posts: 35 From: Seminole Joined: |
Any excuse to humiliate followers of Christ (or any human being for any reason), whether they have blind faith or not, is appalling to me. I was one of the Christians that needed my logical and rational mind sated before my faith would grow.
I realize now, that the blind faith is the more powerful faith! My own, faith backed up by science is only needed because humans are so inured in false doctrine and so weak of spirit. Regardless, I bear you no ill will. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ and I love you as He did. God bless, and you will be added to my prayers for peace and love.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Don't bother.
I have been a Cradle Creedal Christian since before you were born, just not a member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance. AbE: if some words are blocked clicking on peek will open your eyes. Edited by jar, : see AbE:My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You and I almost agree on the good ship Club:Christian.
You seem to think the biggest obstacle is Ignorance. I think that the biggest obstacle is Arrogance. I would even go so far as to rename it the CCoA "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Any excuse to humiliate followers of Christ (or any human being for any reason), whether they have blind faith or not, is appalling to me.
I hope you can be just as critical of Christians who try to humiliate non-Christians. And I hope you are sufficiently unbiased to be aware that this is a very common practice.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I agree. Arrogance (thinking you're infallible) is your biggest obstacle. I think that the biggest obstacle is Arrogance."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: I dont think the 1-15 acid and mushroom trips I took ever had long term effects on my mental health today, Maybe not, but they do cast a lot of light on the experience you said you had when you originally got convinced of this god stuff by seeing/talking to JC. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
First, robertleva, welcome to EVC. Always happy to see new members come out and play with us.
I find the need for a special post, intended to humiliate or harass people with a different belief set to be appalling. I am shocked and disappointed that this thread was allowed to produce so many pages of animosity. You are allowed to be offended. You are allowed to voice that shock and disappointment. So am I. Religion has been nothing but shock and disappointment to humanity. Religion is a scourge that has burned a trail of blood across humanity for millennia. Christianity has been especially vile and violent as Islam has become today. We know the history of religions and we know the oppression of mind and spirit that is the hallmark of religion. See my Message 16 Religion may have been a useful evolutionary step in the newly sentient mind of the primitive human, but it quickly become organized, a yoke of control over the minds and bodies of the population. Religion is still used today to foment violence against the heathen who has impure thoughts or crosses himself the wrong way. Religion is violence. Religion perpetrates evil in the world and is an excuse to perpetrate evil in the world. Religion is an artifact of the developing primitive mind newly capable of symbolic thought and is now, and has been for millennia, no more than chains of enslavement on the human mind and body. Religion insists on majikal thinking, belief forced by violence, both physical and mental. It insists on blind belief against the face of reality and brings war against all that resist. The animosity is real and well deserved. Religion has devastated humanity and, like all such evil, needs to be resisted, vilified, scorned and insulted at every turn. Like slavery, racism and misogyny, all bulwarks of the evil that is religion, that need to be burned from the soul of society, religion, itself, in all forms, needs to be left in the ash bin of history along with all its evils. The species has long outlived its need for ignorant majikal thinking. Our very survival on this planet depends now on recognizing and dealing with the reality of this world. The evil illogical fantasies and influence of religion need to end. If you saw a great evil being done on the street would you not try to intervene? That is what this thread is here for.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Thats why you are dwise1 and I am dcrazy1 Remember that one for the next time you need a screenname! I don't know whether you have read the story of my name, but here it is again:
quote: You never know when "dcrazy1" could come in handy! Keep that one handy in your hip pocket, ever ready to whip it out. It will serve you very well. As you just saw, my own origin story is very mundane. But yours! Priceless!
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
So much to argue against!
AZ writes: Blanket statement and an appeal to popularity. There are numerous people who have benefitted from their spiritual walks. The problem which so many of you saw and hated was when religion (CCoI style) married politics back when Falwell Senior started the moral majority. And I suppose you could dredge up other examples from History...but for every one of them I could counter it with a positive event or events which helped the social order. In your specific case, I think you were one of those wired against being controlled. Religion has been nothing but shock and disappointment to humanity.Religion is a scourge that has burned a trail of blood across humanity for millennia. Oh stop it. The atheistic Soviet Union was an equal if not worse example of a scourge.Christianity has been especially (as) vile and violent as Islam has become today. We know the history of religions and we know the oppression of mind and spirit that is the hallmark of religion. Though I agree that both Christianity and Islam have been vile and violent, I do not agree with your claim that Christianity causes oppression of mind and spirit. If anything, mind is renewed and spirit comes alive. I do realize, however, that you guys will bring up Christian avoidance schooling. So you do have a semi relevant point here....though not conclusive.
Religion may have been a useful evolutionary step in the newly sentient mind of the primitive human, but it quickly become organized, a yoke of control over the minds and bodies of the population. Religion is still used today to foment violence against the heathen who has impure thoughts or crosses himself the wrong way. The rants of an anti theist! You obviously see things differently than I do because you do not see God as a factor....only religion. Replace the word religion with Jesus in all of your rants and your argument falls apart.
Religion is violence. Religion perpetrates evil in the world and is an excuse to perpetrate evil in the world. Religion is an artifact of the developing primitive mind newly capable of symbolic thought and is now, and has been for millennia, no more than chains of enslavement on the human mind and body. Quit fighting God. Of course we wont force Him on you, but we wont let you humanists force us into seeing nothing greater. We too have free will.
Religion insists on majikal thinking, (true in most cases) belief forced by violence, both physical and mental. No. The violence will come because secularism will be pushed as mandatory. Freedom of religion will never be successfully suppressed.It insists on blind belief against the face of reality and brings war against all that resist. You and ringo do not get to define what judgements the thought police will enforce. atheism will never become the default option. There will be wars if you people insist on it.
The animosity is real and well deserved. Put up your dukes old man. Lets settle this out back next to the sundial.Religion has devastated humanity and, like all such evil, needs to be resisted, vilified, scorned and insulted at every turn.
Like slavery, racism and misogyny, all bulwarks of the evil that is religion, that need to be burned from the soul of society, religion, itself, in all forms, needs to be left in the ash bin of history along with all its evils. The species has long outlived its need for ignorant majikal thinking. Our very survival on this planet depends now on recognizing and dealing with the reality of this world. It will never happen. Prepare for the global fight. Too bad we are on opposite sides. I promise I wont shoot you...but Ocasio Cortez may get smacked a time or two. First of all, religion is not the main problem. Human behavior is.Second of all, Jesus created us long before we were even capable of making Him up. On that note (and claim) however, Jesus is about relationship rather than religion. And Christianity works best when the government does not claim to be Christian (and thus RWA Authoritarian). We have a unique set of problems here in the year 2021. Jesus wont simply solve them for society collectively. I will agree with my critics that WE must do it. I will defend belief in Jesus, however, in that I believe strongly that He (in Communion with our mind) will help us better than humans simply in consensus with each other. I know that you disagree strongly, but let me remind you of what you yourself have said: "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Phat writes: AZPaul3 writes: Religion is a scourge that has burned a trail of blood across humanity for millennia. Oh stop it. The atheistic Soviet Union was an equal if not worse example of a scourge. So that's your reason to excuse the entire history of millennia of blood and death by religion, because someone else did something similar for a few years? Should we forgive modern police murdering black people because the KKK did it first? Why try to defend the violence that is religion? Are you trying to extend the bloodshed for longer? Such excuses, tolerant acceptance of religious evil, are the very reasons religion must end just like the soviets. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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