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Message 286 of 670 (863353)
09-25-2019 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Hyroglyphx
09-25-2019 2:52 AM


Pacifism isn't the abrogation of violence... pacifism IS violence.
Thank you, Winston Smith. The Ministry of Truth awaits your return.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 485 of 670 (877126)
06-05-2020 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 484 by Phat
06-05-2020 6:13 AM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
The issue of Floyd is not a black thing or an anti-white thing. It is human behavior in general.
Says the white man who thinks he's not a part of the problem.
The very public murder of George Floyd is very much a "black thing" and yes it stems from a rather unique flavor of general American behavior called institutional racism. Humans have an "us vs them" mentality seemingly embedded in our psyche but in America we have refined the principle to such an extent that we openly hunt down and kill blacks in our streets seemingly for sport.
Don't talk to the black community. Shut up and listen to the black community. We can't experience it. We have no idea how deep this society keeps cutting "those" people.

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Message 500 of 670 (877236)
06-09-2020 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by Kleinman
06-09-2020 4:09 AM


Re: A Word on Impunity
Amy Klobuchar had the position and the authority to do something about that police officer. Clearly, she didn't volunteer her help.
As in the vast majority of jurisdictions around the nation, Amy, as the County Attorney, referred this case to the grand jury. She, herself, did not present the case to the grand jury because she was sworn in as US Senator. She had nothing to do with this case.
Why the political smear, Kleinman? You upset she didn't read her crystal ball perfectly 14 years ago? Isn't there enough hate in this whole issue without you having to invent more?
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Message 502 of 670 (877238)
06-09-2020 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by Kleinman
06-09-2020 9:55 AM


Re: A Word on Impunity
You really are out to create and throw shit where none is warranted.
Did you not see the part where "She, herself, did not present the case to the grand jury because she was sworn in as US Senator. She had nothing to do with this case."
You have a real comprehension problem there Kleinman.
Why are you trying to create hate where none exists? The world not burning fast enough for you?
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Message 507 of 670 (877243)
06-09-2020 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 505 by Kleinman
06-09-2020 11:04 AM


Re: A Word on Impunity
the prosecutor for Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis has nothing to do with indicting and prosecuting bad cops
Passed right through both ears without hitting anything in between.
Of course the County Attorney has jurisdiction. The case was sent to the grand jury as is customary.
Then Amy left the County Attorney's office and became a US Senator. She no longer had any jurisdiction. It was not her job to interfere in the workings of the County Attorney's office in Hennepin County or Maricopa County or any other county in any state anywhere.
You're really reaching beyond your grasp here.
What happened? Did she not answer one of your love letters?
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Message 515 of 670 (877416)
06-15-2020 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2020 7:19 PM


Re: Protests
My point is that neither the US nor the UK is as racist as people would think.
Says the white cop who wouldn't know racism if it kicked him in the nuts. You're white, Hyro. You can't see the racism so insidiously prevalent in this society because you don't live it on a daily basis. Go spend a couple months living and working deep in the barrio or in the hood then come back and talk to us.
This isn't to say that it does not exist when it obviously does, but the thought that the overwhelming majority of white cops are systematically hunting down black people is an absurdity so silly that its really hard to believe anyone would actually believe that.
No one even hinted at an "overwhelming majority". All it takes is a minority to systematically hunt down black people with the silence of the overwhelming majority of their blue brethren, the protection of their union and the inaction of their management to create a racist police state of fear and intimidation.
Do you think the few dozen+ Minneapolis police taped slashing tires while their brothers stood around watching was not meant to intimidate and instill fear? To "stop dangerous driving" my ass.
Nazi's, racists and bullies are all over police precincts all over the nation and there is nothing the blue wall can or will do to try to stop them.
Hyro, you live in the culture. You're a part of it. You and your other good cop brethren can't see the forest through the trees. Until you're willing to pull your piece on a fellow office like any other felon and tell him the stop then you are a part of the problem.
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Message 519 of 670 (877441)
06-16-2020 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 517 by Hyroglyphx
06-16-2020 6:25 AM


Re: Protests
I am, after all, the most despised thing on the planet.
I feel for you, Hyroglyphx. You are at the top of the political power structure in this society. Has to be such a burden to exercise powers and have such advantages and protections the rest of us only dream of in the American ideal. How can you bear the strain of being at the top of the food chain?
Minneapolis police taped slashing tires
You don't know the reference? Seriously? How is that possible?
Are you and your fellows so callus to the police abuses going on in Minneapolis, Buffalo, Seattle, LA and a half dozen other places?
Old men and women who are no threat being pushed to the ground and then walked over and left bleeding on the ground? Calmly walking up to non-violent protesters ripping their masks off to hit them with pepper spray? Running your squad car into a crowd of non-violent peaceful protesters? Continuously beating women cowering on the ground in submission?
Not just one or two such occurrences but dozens upon dozens all caught on camera splashed across the internet to the point where foreign governments voice there concerns about "rioting" American police.
You and your colleagues don't see, don't hear ANY of this?
God help us the poison has gone so deep they are blind to the society around them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WR4M_c7pFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEy-xtIQJkA&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpXXUC623ow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=Wf4cea5o...

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I am antifa.

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Message 537 of 670 (882023)
09-09-2020 12:35 AM


Automation
Humor - with an edge.
From imgur.

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Message 605 of 670 (882855)
10-21-2020 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 602 by Hyroglyphx
10-18-2020 3:22 PM


Re: Selective Media Coverage
Can you at least, just a little, not see how the media is manipulative? At some point you are going to have to ... yada yada yada
We're aware of this. And account for it. Multiple disparate sources and all that.
You can science the hell out of your political information just like "they" science the hell out of trying to manipulate you with theirs.
You can usually tell by the syntax. Rioters vs protesters. That kind of thing.
And always, always, always consider the source!
If the story seems fishy and you have the wish to travel the rabbit hole you should look at the sources and "their" sources in turn. You'd be shocked ...
Shocked, I tell ya!
... shocked by the bullshit misrepresentations behind a whole lot of stories that a whole lot of people want to believe.
Regardless, the cries of "political bias" and "fake news" and all the rest of the media's woes are no reason to stop highlighting the racism that exists, here right now, taking place as we watch.

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I am antifa.

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Message 610 of 670 (883571)
12-19-2020 12:37 PM
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12-19-2020 12:01 PM


Re: Not a surprise
Republicans. No surprise.

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Message 626 of 670 (885509)
04-15-2021 10:10 AM


From PZ Myers blog.

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Message 634 of 670 (885553)
04-17-2021 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Percy
04-17-2021 7:56 AM


Re: More Add Their Voices to Taking Away Police Guns
Any police out there who think they're in a war are in the wrong business. They should join the army.
No. We have enough nazis in the army as it is. We don't need more.
Whatever you do with them is fine. Just not the army. Or any postal jobs.
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Message 639 of 670 (885629)
04-20-2021 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by Tangle
04-20-2021 5:33 PM


Oh, oh. I live here and hadn't heard of any intervention. I heard about the call to Floyd's family after the verdict, but trial intervention?
I missed something? Where is that?
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Message 642 of 670 (885636)
04-20-2021 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 641 by nwr
04-20-2021 10:40 PM


Thank you, nwr. I missed that on Monday.
I can feel where people would squirm at this. He did that call and made those statements after the jury had been sequestered, which means, ideally, the jury never saw it. His statements, given the moment, were appropriate for, not just our political leader, but the bully pulpit of a moral leader.
None of this could I consider intervention. I agree that, for optics and our revered view of the presidency, he should have waited until the verdict was actually announced, but, there appears no harm done or intended which is what intervention implies.
Even in this we have to rejoice in the fact that Pres. Biden is not just leading this nation with law books, but with a human heart. Quite a change from last year.

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Message 647 of 670 (885644)
04-21-2021 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 643 by Tangle
04-21-2021 3:29 AM


Ideally and legally he shouldn't have said anything.
Ideally, I agree with. Legal is another matter.
A basic tenet of this nation is free speech, even for a president.
I know of no legal bar to a sitting president expressing an opinion on anything.
I also disagree with the characterization of his call as an attempt to influence the outcome of the trial. The press would be having a Tumpian field day lambasting him unmercifully.
but, there appears no harm done
How do you know?
This is America. If Biden's "intervention" had influenced anything in the trial at all the defense team and the press would crucify his butt. Fox and OAN are still out there.
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