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vimesey
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Message 548 of 670 (882452)
09-24-2020 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 547 by Hyroglyphx
09-23-2020 11:38 PM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
why it is so odious to handcuff your prisoner to a gurney, whether he is paralyzed or not. Three times is a charm... lets have, mate.
If it has to be explained why handcuffing people is odious in a free society (as opposed to the police state you seem to favour heading towards), then there is little hope for you.
Sometimes handcuffing is a proportionate and sensible thing to do - even though it is odious - but in every circumstance in which the police have to take that decision, it’s about balancing the rights of the individual they’re arresting (and do let’s remember, that individual is innocent until proven guilty) against any dangers they may represent. That would be why it’s horrendous to have cuffed Jacob Blake to his gurney. A man (and again, let’s remember that an individual is innocent until proven guilty) who has been shot seven times in the back poses as much danger to the public as a kitten. You don’t cuff him, because it’s not a nice thing to do to someone, and the circumstances here don’t justify it. Balance Hyro - it’s all about balance. The police owe duties to those they arrest too, and have to balance them with their other duties.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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vimesey
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Message 550 of 670 (882466)
09-24-2020 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 549 by Phat
09-24-2020 10:22 AM


Re: Judgement Calls
As for handcuffing him to the gurney, is it possible that he was thrashing around (or could have tried) and may end up paralyzing himself for life in so doing?
I don't know about you Phat, but if it was me who'd been shot 7 times in the back, I'd rather have decisions taken about my medical welfare by qualified doctors. Call me picky like that.

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vimesey
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Message 557 of 670 (882479)
09-24-2020 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 551 by Hyroglyphx
09-24-2020 11:28 AM


Re: Jacob Blake handcuffed to his hospital bed ???
Jacob Blake is being held on PROBABLE CAUSE; his guilt or innocence has yet to be determined.
Was it nice to fight the police while defending a victim -- a victim who is a minor -- a minor victim who is female -- a minor victim who is a black female?
I knew you’d make that mistake and blow your position right out of the water. You pay lip service to innocence until proven guilty, then go on to describe the complainant as a victim. Let me guess - you’re a fan of perp walks as well.

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vimesey
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Message 629 of 670 (885517)
04-16-2021 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 628 by Percy
04-16-2021 9:07 AM


Re: Gee, What A Surprise!
Hi Percy. I'm curious - do the NRA still trot out the same bullcrap about people carrying guns being able to stop mass shooters ? Or have even they accepted that that crap no longer holds any water ?

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vimesey
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Message 635 of 670 (885621)
04-20-2021 5:15 PM


Chauvin convicted
I am so relieved at this verdict.
It’s not by any means a panacea - but it feels like a turning point.
Humanity, not violence. Compassion, not hate. Empathy, not privilege. Maybe a glimmer of hope for the future.

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vimesey
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Message 637 of 670 (885623)
04-20-2021 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by Tangle
04-20-2021 5:33 PM


Pretty much anything is grounds for an appeal - but I take your point. It’s still a good starting point though - any jury which convicts a cop for brutally ending a life is a step in the right direction. It’s the opinion of the man in the street which it seems is changing, and that’s the key thing.

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vimesey
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Message 658 of 670 (885805)
04-27-2021 2:13 AM


Not a shooting this time, but for crying out loud !
Colorado arrest: Woman with dementia mocked by US police - BBC News
This one isn’t a police shooting, but it is seriously wrong.
She’s 73. She is zero, and I mean zero threat. She is treated disgustingly.
The lawyers will argue that the officers aren’t medical experts and can’t diagnose dementia - but please; every person I know can tell when someone is not in possession of all of their faculties, and each one of those people will treat that person with kindness and respect.
I am not saying that all police officers are like this - but we are seeing a distressingly regular number who are.
Something is broken. It needs fixing.

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