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jar
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Message 253 of 895 (885467)
04-14-2021 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 250 by Phat
04-11-2021 9:28 AM


The Bill will get paid
Phat writes:
I predict that some day when desperate people again turn to "myths" for comfort that science will try and make them stop doing that.
Science cannot make anyone do anything and history shows (particularly Christian history) exactly what happens when the people abandon science and reason and turn to myths for comfort.
When Christian Europe turned away from the enlightened science based Islamic Caliphate of what is now Spain darkness descended over Europe. Ignorance and poverty and suffering and Inquisition reigned.
The bill always gets paid Phat.
Abandon the scientific method and trust in belief and the bill WILL still get paid in deaths, poverty, sickness, famine, war ...
... all the things that Biblical Christians hope for but without any intervention from any god to protect them.
Continue to place SOURCE over content and you will simply get to pay the bill with suffering.
NMP anymore.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 257 of 895 (885477)
04-14-2021 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Phat
04-14-2021 8:53 AM


Re: The Bill will get paid
How many times over the decades Phat have I pointed out that Evangelical Biblical Fundamentalist Christianity is the greatest threat existing in the world today?

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 262 of 895 (885486)
04-14-2021 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Phat
04-14-2021 1:35 PM


Re: The Bill will get paid
Phat writes:
ou yourself said elsewhere that you see the US moving closer to fascism. IIRC, there was a giant bill presented to Germany in the 1920's that they couldnt or wouldnt pay. Facism followed. Now...all of you claim the US populist middle class/working class need pay this bill we have now.
jar writes:
Once again you are simply showing your utter lack of knowledge.
Stop listening to liars Phat and actually research what happened.
You simply continue to lie and misrepresent what others say.
And why would I be interested in another book by a fool and person totally disconnected from reality?
If it is accurate it is simply additional evidence that a vast percentage of US citizens choose ignorance.

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jar
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Message 264 of 895 (885490)
04-14-2021 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by AZPaul3
04-14-2021 4:41 PM


Re: Sundae Service Sermon
AZPaul3 writes:
Phat writes:
The Coming Civil War is a war between secular humanist ideology deciding what rules society will have and the old school authoritarians who believe in God and trust that as their SOURCE.
Phat, that *war* has been ongoing for centuries now. And over the generations your side has been losing. That will continue into the future.
I have seen the tea leaves. It is so.
That's absolutely true but unfortunately incomplete. While the BELIEF in SOURCE folk will always lose in the long run they have far too often gained the upper-hand for a short while and those periods have ALWAYS been decades or centuries of suffering for the vast majority.

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jar
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Message 266 of 895 (885492)
04-14-2021 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
04-14-2021 6:23 PM


What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
Again, he author comes across as racist, but I feel that many whites now feel emasculated and disenfranchised. The same holds true of Christians. Look at how AZ Paul defines it:
AZPaul3 writes:
Christianity is one of the most destructive, blood-letting, murderous, death-cults ever unleashed on the world. We have the history. We have seen its fruits. Christianity is far from merciful. It is known evil.
With fighting words like that, the war is unpreventable.
All of the evidence supports exactly what Paul posted. It is only through willful ignorance and a total abdication of truth that what he posted can only be disputed.
The issue is that Christianity, particularly Biblical Christianity has always been divorced from truth, reality and honesty.
Biblical Christians simply lie to themselves by choice.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 272 of 895 (885500)
04-14-2021 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by Phat
04-14-2021 6:56 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
Again I ask you why you have never been able to understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
For the same reason no one else has ever been able to understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
For the same reason no one has even been able to explain what "understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit" even means?
Phat writes:
What I DO think is that you all are making a mistake counting on rational humans who, like you, see it all as a fantasy.
LOL
Too funny Phat.
Who, other than humans, should a rational person count on?
Is there ANY evidence that there is any other source of change?
AbE:
Phat writes:
You have taken a whole group of people, likely 40% or more of all US Christians, and labeled them.
It's likely more than 40% and I hope I did more than simply label them.
My intent is to warn the rest of the population here and abroad about just how dangerous that segment of our population really is.
They need to be an example used to educate the coming generations; "Learn to think or you will end up just as execrable".
Edited by jar, : see AbE.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 274 of 895 (885508)
04-15-2021 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Phat
04-15-2021 8:50 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
Why do you even go to church? Why do you bother reading the BCP with your friends? Why not just dump the Episcopalians and their robes and vestments, go and start a secular humanist do-good club?
Here is the dismissal found in the Book of Common Prayer Phat. It is the final exhortation by the Priest or Bishop at the end of a service.
quote:
Almighty and everliving God,
we thank you for feeding us with the spiritual food
of the most precious Body and Blood
of your Son our Savior Jesus Christ;
and for assuring us in these holy mysteries
that we are living members of the Body of your Son,
and heirs of your eternal kingdom.
And now, Father, send us out
to do the work you have given us to do,
to love and serve you
as faithful witnesses of Christ our Lord.

To him, to you, and to the Holy Spirit,
be honor and glory, now and for ever. Amen.
The Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.
Learn the basics Phat.
The works you have given us to do!
Feed
Clothe
Comfort
Shelter
Protect
Heal
Educate
Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.
It ain't what we preach or believe or say or chant that is witnessing, it is what we do.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 280 of 895 (885547)
04-17-2021 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Phat
04-17-2021 10:10 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
jar writes:
Christianity is supposed to be a do-good club.
It ain't what we preach or believe or say or chant that is witnessing, it is what we do.
I cant ever argue this point with you. You are right. How many times need we go around this same mountain?
jar writes:
Learn the basics Phat.
The works you have given us to do!
You? You Who?
(Oh that's right....I keep forgetting that *you* threw SOURCE Away!)
Think Phat. Really, if just for a moment, think.
I am a Christian.
I am an Episcopalian.
The Character Jesus in the Bible Stories (and in the Episcopal Church the Bible is read in an organized fashion over a three year period) outlined what the duty of those that followed him should be; to feed, heal, clothe, shelter, protect, comfort, teach.
Those tasks also appear in EVERY moral system and are the same for Jews and Buddhists and Taoists and Muslims and Hindus and atheists and agnostics BUT as a Christian (I believe you think and claim to be a Christian) they are mandated and reinforced as the dismissal after the service.
The SOURCE is irrelevant. The charge remains. The duty remains.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


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Message 282 of 895 (885550)
04-17-2021 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Phat
04-17-2021 1:38 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Remember I have never suggested that you throw GOD away.
It is all the god(s) and God(s) created by humans that should be thrown away.
Remember that I believe there is a GOD and that there was a person known as Jesus and that after dying that person ascended into heaven and will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe I will be judged and judged fairly based on my behavior while alive.
I believe there is a life ever after.
I have never told you to throw belief away but rather to be honest about beliefs and symbols and territories and how one testifies and what we (every single human) are charged to do.
Remember that WE are charged to be stewards and WE are charged to prepare for the seven lean years and WE are our brothers keepers and that only WE can avoid wars and assure justice and feed the hungry and clothe the naked and heal the sick and comfort the sorrowful and shelter the homeless.
It is our duty to find the way to pay the bill.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 287 of 895 (885557)
04-17-2021 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Phat
04-17-2021 6:49 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
The easiest person in the world to fool is oneself.
You want deliverance and the snake oil salesman offers deliverance and you buy.
If their is enough alcohol and cocaine and the bottle is pleasantly shaped the result is deliverance. Or CocaCola.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 290 of 895 (885573)
04-19-2021 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by Phat
04-19-2021 4:38 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
Absence (of objective evidence) does not equal evidence of absence.
You keep saying that but as has been pointed out to you many times, that is simply not true, correct, factual and has been refuted for you many many many many many times.
If a claim is made that the target was hit there must be a hole in the target. The absence of a hole in the target is positive evidence that the target was not hit.
The evidence is overwhelming that faith healing and casting out demons are nothing, absolutely nothing, except delusion.
No non-believer has EVER been inflicted by demons or cured of demons.
His carny spiel only works on those who first believe in demons and believe that he can cast out demons.
It is all in their fantasies.
Phat writes:
You assume that every single apologist on this planet is dishonest and seeks to fool me. I don't believe it.
I conclude that every single apologist on this planet is dishonest because so far every single one has misrepresented what is actually written.
It is irrelevant what you believe; the evidence is that you have never been able to present an example of an apologist who is not delusional or dishonest.
I have no problem believing they are not intentionally dishonest but simply bat-shit crazy.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 298 of 895 (885585)
04-19-2021 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Phat
04-19-2021 11:19 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
Phat writes:
You cant objectively refute or disprove something that you cant even see, comprehend or measure.
Of course I can.
You claim the guy is effecting things that exist in this universe. If that is true then there MUST be evidence. I even provided the reasoned argument to support my conclusion and as always, you fail to address it.
Phat writes:
Do you believe in Jesus? Do you trust what you believe and know about Him?
And there you go off into utter nonsense land again. What does that even mean?
Phat writes:
If there is a room of hurting and broken people, and your job is to feed, clothe, encourage, comfort and HEAL them, the evidence would be that the hole in their heart was healed or healing, correct?
Sheesh. First there is no such thing as a "hole in there heart" that is not an actual hole in the heart. If there is an actual hole in their heart then there is direct physical evidence and know treatments. Now make a claim that he "comforted' them and you might have some validity. BUT that still is not any evidence of the existence of demons or that demons can be cast out.
You are just tossing out babble again and demonstrating that you have no idea what evidence is.
Phat writes:
You cant make such a blanket assertion when the evidence clearly shows that many targets were hit and many holes in the hearts and souls mended.
Word salad and ABSOLUTE no evidence of any demons. Learn the basics Phat.
Now explain why non-believers never get inflicted with demons and why your snake-oil salesman has never cast out a single demon in anyone who did not first believe there was such a thing as demons and that the snake-oil salesman could cast out the demons.
Show some evidence that it is not at best an example of self-delusion.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 320 of 895 (885739)
04-25-2021 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by robertleva
04-25-2021 8:25 AM


No one is ridiculed for their beliefs but rather thinking beliefs are evidence of fact or reality itself is what is so ridiculous.

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 322 of 895 (885742)
04-25-2021 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 321 by robertleva
04-25-2021 9:38 AM


Don't bother.
I have been a Cradle Creedal Christian since before you were born, just not a member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
AbE: if some words are blocked clicking on peek will open your eyes.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 334 of 895 (885776)
04-26-2021 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by Phat
04-26-2021 9:41 AM


Basics Phat
Phat writes:
And of course you see it that way because you only see Jesus as a character in a book.
Basics Phat.
Remember, if there was an actual living Jesus was almost certainly not named Jesus.
Jesus is a Greek name and a good Jewish boy would not be named Jesus. Maybe Joshua but far more likely Jehoshua.
Jesus is a creation of the different authors and again the evidence is found in the Gospel of John where the author creates a different Jesus than the Jesus found in the Synoptic Gospels.

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