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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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WE will make China and Brazil, etc. pay their fair share. At the end of the 1940s China wasn't done with a devastating war. Europe, Russia, Japan were destitute and struggling. We, The USofA, were the only society in full swing - the only industrial power in the world, Phat. And for the next 3 generations WE polluted with abandon and without regard for the warnings being raised. WE, Phat, are responsible for the pollution and greenhouse emissions that are raveging the Earth today. The United States of America did this. And since then the rest of the world has been playing catch-up with the economic might of America and the modern economic ideal we have set for humanity. This struggle by the have-nots for economic equality is what is now adding to the killing of our future on this world, but, WE set the standard. We set the pace. And we haven't stopped yet. The lion's share of that bill belongs to us.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How many times over the decades Phat have I pointed out that Evangelical Biblical Fundamentalist Christianity is the greatest threat existing in the world today?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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And what authority, force, or motive drives these social pressures? Lets get to the bottom of who you think God would be, should He exist? Your god does not exist. In all the facts of the human knowledge base there is NOTHING to justify the supposition that gods exist. Does that *prove* anything pro or con? No. We don't do proof. We follow the evidence and nowhere in that evidence is there ANY reasoning to suppose a god. What we do have copious amounts of evidence for is the FACT that your gods are strictly human fantasy. As for morality? The authority, force, motive that drives it is society. Quite simple. One of my favorite stories is about a young Syrian émigré in Germany who stopped by a spigot on the side of a building, dropped his pants in public and washed his ass. Shocking. Not allowed in this country. Animals. Society strongly disapproves. In Syria, however, personal hygiene is prized above the juvenile giggles of seeing a man with his butt being washed. Society not only approves but encourages such actions. Your god had nothing to do with either moral stance, just like with all morality. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You yourself said elsewhere that you see the US moving closer to fascism. IIRC, there was a giant bill presented to Germany in the 1920's that they couldnt or wouldnt pay. Facism followed. Now...all of you claim the US populist middle class/working class need pay this bill we have now.
jar writes: Well jar, you called it. The US won't get stuck with this bill any more than Germany got stuck with WWI. You see the handwriting on the wall. How many times over the decades Phat have I pointed out that Evangelical Biblical Fundamentalist Christianity is the greatest threat existing in the world today? You may find this book interesting.
The Coming Civil War "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I didnt ask you to disprove "my God". If He in fact does exist, nothing you say will change it. What I wanted out of you was what drove(drives) the social pressures.
And you nailed it. AZ writes: I just wantedto hear you say it. I called this already. The Coming Civil War is a war between secular humanist ideology deciding what rules society will have and the old school authoritarians who believe in God and trust that as their SOURCE. Dont blame me. We wont avoid this war as long as we disagree. We don't do proof. We follow the evidence...The authority, force, motive that drives it is society."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Phat writes: The Coming Civil War is a war between secular humanist ideology deciding what rules society will have and the old school authoritarians who believe in God and trust that as their SOURCE. Dont blame me. I definitely blame you for what you just said. secular humanist ideology = The Constitution of the United States of Americaold school authoritarians = Nazis, Fascists, Communists, Traitors. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Please explain this comment because as I read it, you are the sworn domestic enemy of every Veteran in the USA.The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: ou yourself said elsewhere that you see the US moving closer to fascism. IIRC, there was a giant bill presented to Germany in the 1920's that they couldnt or wouldnt pay. Facism followed. Now...all of you claim the US populist middle class/working class need pay this bill we have now.jar writes: Once again you are simply showing your utter lack of knowledge. Stop listening to liars Phat and actually research what happened. You simply continue to lie and misrepresent what others say. And why would I be interested in another book by a fool and person totally disconnected from reality? If it is accurate it is simply additional evidence that a vast percentage of US citizens choose ignorance.My Website: My Website
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I didnt ask you to disprove "my God". If He in fact does exist, nothing you say will change it. You asked...
quote: So I answered. It doesn't.
The Coming Civil War is a war between secular humanist ideology deciding what rules society will have and the old school authoritarians who believe in God and trust that as their SOURCE. Phat, that *war* has been ongoing for centuries now. And over the generations your side has been losing. That will continue into the future. I have seen the tea leaves. It is so.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Phat writes: The Coming Civil War is a war between secular humanist ideology deciding what rules society will have and the old school authoritarians who believe in God and trust that as their SOURCE. Phat, that *war* has been ongoing for centuries now. And over the generations your side has been losing. That will continue into the future. I have seen the tea leaves. It is so. That's absolutely true but unfortunately incomplete. While the BELIEF in SOURCE folk will always lose in the long run they have far too often gained the upper-hand for a short while and those periods have ALWAYS been decades or centuries of suffering for the vast majority.My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
anglagard writes: First off, my definitions and your definitions are not the same. I'll blame myself for that one. I will say, however, that the US is becoming less nationalistic and more globalist. We compromise far too much in this area. Right Wing patriots see this. As for Left Wing patriots, I'm not sure how they see anything apart from individually rather than collectively. Which is a good trait for anyone. You have warned me about reading books and in being balanced in this regard. We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. I mean, I claim to follow Jesus Christ but...as a qualifier...I don't simply follow some human sage who advocates giving the shirt off our backs to the needy of the globe. AZPaul does not realize that his insistence that the US pay the lions share of the coming bill will in fact lead to war. We have already sacrificed in terms of our losing a grip on working class wealth...for which we are no longer properly compensated for earning. I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Please explain this comment because as I read it, you are the sworn domestic enemy of every Veteran in the USA. I am reading books that you likely will say are partisan and a form of propaganda. I will say that the author of late, Tom Kawezynski, gets me to think and provides many arguments which I happen to intuitively agree with. The Left Wing activists never did it for me. I am far from communism and I am proud of that fact. I grew up with the cold war. My Dad used to explain why communism was evil. I believed him. I was never taught to give the shirt off my back to anyone, though I was encouraged to give away my spare shirts which I no longer used. It was the right thing to do. *reminisces about growing up* So the author has a newer book after his success writing The Coming Civil War. Kawezynski wrote a sequel. Here are some choice quotes:
quote:I will grant that the author comes across as racist...which I don't share, though I will admit that I agree with him that my generation was accused of "white privilege" as if we are supposed to hand out reparations like candy! I am most definitely against that!! quote:Again, he author comes across as racist, but I feel that many whites now feel emasculated and disenfranchised. The same holds true of Christians. Look at how AZ Paul defines it: AZPaul3 writes: With fighting words like that, the war is unpreventable. Christianity is one of the most destructive, blood-letting, murderous, death-cults ever unleashed on the world. We have the history. We have seen its fruits. Christianity is far from merciful. It is known evil. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Again, he author comes across as racist, but I feel that many whites now feel emasculated and disenfranchised. The same holds true of Christians. Look at how AZ Paul defines it:
AZPaul3 writes: With fighting words like that, the war is unpreventable. Christianity is one of the most destructive, blood-letting, murderous, death-cults ever unleashed on the world. We have the history. We have seen its fruits. Christianity is far from merciful. It is known evil. All of the evidence supports exactly what Paul posted. It is only through willful ignorance and a total abdication of truth that what he posted can only be disputed. The issue is that Christianity, particularly Biblical Christianity has always been divorced from truth, reality and honesty. Biblical Christians simply lie to themselves by choice.My Website: My Website
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
See what you have done? You have taken a whole group of people, likely 40% or more of all US Christians, and labeled them. Again I ask you why you have never been able to understand or receive a relationship (awareness, inner confirmation) from Jesus or the Holy Spirit. And all you do is hold fast to the evidence based critical thinking you were taught and ask me to tell you how it is even possible.
It happened to me. I cant describe how or what. I can only say that I believe it(the communion) beyond a reasonable doubt. And if you prefer to label me as delusional and fantasy based, so be it. The Bill will get paid, alright. And lots of folks will suffer.,..likely yourself included. I don't wish it upon you, however. What I DO think is that you all are making a mistake counting on rational humans who, like you, see it all as a fantasy. Granted there is a lot of fantasy involved. And there is evidence...but not enough to throw God away."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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AZPaul3 writes: Christianity is one of the most destructive, blood-letting, murderous, death-cults ever unleashed on the world. We have the history. We have seen its fruits. Christianity is far from merciful. It is known evil. With fighting words like that, the war is unpreventable. The truth shall set you free.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I have read 500 page books on the History of Christianity. You must get your information from biased *cough*..leftist *cough* sources. You really need to quit listening to revisionist mythologists. Granted Christianity was often bloody, scandalous, and unchristian, but the founder, a Jewish Rabbi, was guiltless of any of your charges. And human nature is not limited to religion. Lets see what a mess the secular humanist scientists make of things as they attempt to balance the fairness on the planet, do away with religion, and optimistically plan for a brighter future they envision. We can then see who is evil. (though for them, it is largely unknowingly)
Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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I will say, however, that the US is becoming less nationalistic and more globalist.
Honestly, I don't see this. Most of what the US sends to other nations is done for a very American benefit. But yes, the Internet does exist and that tends to give people a somewhat more global outlook (unless they watch FOX).
We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. I mean, I claim to follow Jesus Christ but...as a qualifier...I don't simply follow some human sage who advocates giving the shirt off our backs to the needy of the globe.
That seems to say that you do not follow Jesus at all. Instead you follow the counterfeit American Jesus.
AZPaul does not realize that his insistence that the US pay the lions share of the coming bill will in fact lead to war.
The US has been a major contributor to global warming. If we aren't willing to do something about this, then civilization is doomed.
Here are some choice quotes
That's pretty much right wing propaganda.
I will admit that I agree with him that my generation was accused of "white privilege" as if we are supposed to hand out reparations like candy!
I have never thought I was being accused of "white privilege". Yes, I am a beneficiary of white privilege, but that's a fact rather than an accusation. I don't know about being supposed to hand out reparations. How about we just extend the same privilege to all Americans, and not just whites. And honestly, Phat, you need a better bullshit detector.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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