Who & what are the demons ?

No. Just delusion vs reality.A magisteria conveys too much power to this fantasy like it would need to be considered as a probable explanation for anything let alone everything. My exceptionally good friend, whom I've seen talk, once, and, of course, have read his major works both literary and scientific, Stephen Jay and I disagree on the binary nature of his magisteria.Philosophers. What can you say.

What discussion? Other than a newer(old) thread nothing's changed.I did sit through the first vid, the smart guy atheists who knew their stuff, but on the others, after about 3 min I just scanned periodic seconds here and there and then decided to go wash my brain out with a distraction provided by Tangle.This stuff is just sooo 1400s.We understand you believe. The question has always been why since you can't show us anything real. Gotta challenge your beliefs. It's my demon duty.I know. It's all emotion, hope and dreams.There really aren't any a baby-eating neurons in you, are there.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

How about if all of reality says there is nothing like that because no one has shown a rational reason to think there is? That kind of puts spirit and supernatural into the poofer.That means they just poofed out of existence, except as hopes and dreams in the wonderous imaginations of people who think they need those in order to cope. Maybe too late for a lot of people but we are migrating to less dangerous coping mechanisms for future challenges. Yes! Finally!

I believe you sincerely believe this. Which is too bad because it turns another good brain bad. Yes, we know. You think your god’s evil takes precedence over the human suffering it causes.

Excellent question. What do I expect you to do?I expect you to give up this childish fantasy and face the reality you are in. No you don't. That would be objective reality but you have already shown you don't believe in objective reality. You base your experiences on what you think you perceive in the midst of your fantasies. It is emotion and peer pressure not reality.

Well, Phat, of course not.The series of events you relate I'm sure were unusual and probably unique for you but the interpretation you give to these things is strictly out of lala land.I can say this because you insist on supernatural gods and demons as the cause and there aren't any supernatural gods or demons. There has to be, as a matter of actual physical reality, some other explanation.But the bigger problem is with your brain. You WANT to see gods and demons. You want there to have been gods and demons in your remembrances. You're so desperate for them reality can't reach you. You won't let it. You're afraid the gods and demons might go away and your universe would collapse.Well, Phat, reality says they aren't there. Crumble, crumble, boom, boom.It's ok, You're not going to fall.