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Phat
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Message 140 of 150 (885132)
03-24-2021 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by jar
03-24-2021 3:44 PM


Re: reality trumps nonsense Phat.
jar writes:
I'm sorry but that is simply stupid Phat unless you can provide a reasoned argument to support why SOURCE is relevant at all.
Are you suggesting that all gods are equally valid in the academy of ideas? If so, I laugh at you as the SOURCE of framing an argument. You claim to be a believer, yet you waffle out of it by declaring that you are most certainly wrong. In the context of your argument, being right--being correct is to pay homage to the SOURCE of your belief. Belief s not simply some human creed that we make up for you to join our secret tree-house club. Religion in general may well be a human construct, Christianity included, but in the club that I belong to, the validity of Jesus Christ being the Creator is more important than what good deeds the club does or what merit badges we earn. Granted our CONTENT is our Resume. We cannot simply profess belief in Jesus and use THAT as our sole Resume. GOD gave us a brain for a reason.
And I can sorta see where this argument could go. You might ask me how I am so sure that my SOURCE is greater than I, arguing instead that humans make up their own gods and stories. Its a tough argument to beat, and you may have me on the ropes, but in the end I feel it is a matter of belief combined with actions. SOURCE combined with CONTENT.
MLK once quoted a bedrock value for our people today:
quote:
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
Perhaps you guys have a point in that Christianity and Christ as soley a SOURCE are not as important as the CONTENT of our character. And if so, I wont disagree, because for one thing I feel the Holy Spirit in that quote.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
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Message 142 of 150 (885134)
03-24-2021 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by jar
03-24-2021 3:55 PM


Re: Money Isn't a Deity
I have never claimed infallibility.
OK, im on a rant. But ringo throws down a gauntlet and challenges MY infallibility (being 100% certain of my belief) which I see as his insistence that I allow for doubt. I believe that if a man does not STAND for something he will FALL for anything. Thus I may well claim infallibility and exclusivity in Jesus Christ. You will again tell me to throw it away. Throw away my certainty or my illusion (delusion?) of certainty and infallibility.
The problem is, I don't want to forever be asking questions and indecisive. I dont want to doubt my choices when I believe. Granted I can question but I shall not doubt.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
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Message 143 of 150 (885135)
03-24-2021 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by jar
03-24-2021 4:13 PM


Re: reality trumps nonsense Phat.
Hey, I am being honest. I can tell when something feels true. Granted I ascribe it to the Holy Spirit because I believe that Jesus Christ *is* the truth.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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