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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: Who is Fr.Priest? And yes I know There is a lot of fake religion and sensationalism just as there has been for many years. My point that I want you to consider is that it is not all fake. It is indeed personally incredulous that some of this stuff is real. Starting with Jesus Christ. It's a personal incredulity thing. I can't fathom how a properly operating brain capable of functioning in this society could so abandon the obvious physics they use to exist in this universe and submit life decisions instead to old stories and what Fr. Priest used to say. How many rosaries can fit on the edge of a piece of texas toast burnt with the image of jesus."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
The problem is that we're not labeling enough mentally unstable people as unstable. As long as they really, really, really believe, we wait for them to do something really unspeakable before we act. We should be fixing the little instabilities before they become big ones.
And I worry that in the future, the "rational" secular majority will label anyone who is religious as mentally unstable as well. Phat writes:
Yup, they sure do. It's called "society". They dont get to use the standard which they have adopted to govern everybody."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Funny how you swallow the prophecies hook, line and sinker, yet you denigrate the words of the Master.
Yeah it is prophesied that you will get your turn. Phat writes:
No you don't. ... I know for a fact that it is real."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Isaiah explains basic Christianity quite well. It starts with Jesus. Those two contradict one another. If it starts with Jesus, the Isaiah wasn't talking about Christianity at all.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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He's just doing the Christian Time Warp again.
I encountered the same thing with Suds on CompuServe in the late 80's. I pointed out that when we compare Mosaic Law and the Hamurabic Code we find that they are virtually identical (except that in questions of such things as whether the child of a freeman and a slave should be free or slave, Hammurabi chose freedom while Moses chose slavery). Hammurabi predated Moses by centuries, so it's obvious who borrowed from whom. However Suds insisted that Hammurabi predating Moses proved that he had borrowed his code from Moses. Doing the Christian Time Warp again. Go figure.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Wait. I'm confused. The "Isaiah" that I am talking about is the young man with the glasses in the video. Isaiah Saldivar. He is a delieverence minister from California. jar will despise him as he is a Biblical Christian, but he comes across as very honest to me. I had no comment on Moses or Hammurabi, but I wouldnt even lump them together.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes: (Meaning deliverance.) I have seen it happen in front of me time and time again. Even if a few people are dramatically exaggerating in front of crowds, the vast majority of deliverance is an actual physical and mental (and obviously spiritual) manifestation.
... I know for a fact that it is real.ringo, the Saskatchewan Skeptic writes: With an attitude like that, I am surprised you even know that you yourself are real. I am sure there is a way to test such an event, though you likely would dismiss interviewing the participants for their reaction. No you don't."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You gotta stop lying Phat.
I don't despise such people rather I pity them.My Website: My Website
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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The "Isaiah" that I am talking about is the young man with the glasses in the video. Isaiah Saldivar. Then you should have clearly identified which "Isaiah" you were talking about in Message 225. Since hardly anybody would bother to watch what promised to be yet another junk video, the description of the video that you should have provided would have identified that ambiguous "Isaiah". At the very least, when you made your ambiguous reference to "Isaiah", you should have included some kind of clarification in his identity; ie:
quote: Or even just mentioning that your "Isaiah" is a person in the video would have been enough to differentiate him from the Old Testament prophet Isaiah, which is to whom Christians refer virtually every single time they say "Isaiah" (ie, 999,999,999 times out of a billion). So then clearly your "Isaiah explains basic Christianity quite well." must have meant that the Old Testament prophet Isaiah was being referred to. Which would be a temporal impossibility given that Isaiah predated Jesus, who in term predated Christianity. Hence doing the Christian Time Warp again, in which the timelines get all tangled up.
I had no comment on Moses or Hammurabi, but I wouldnt even lump them together. I never claimed that you had made any such comment. Rather it was a member of CompuServe (Religion Forum, Science & Religion section which is where creation/evolution was discussed) circa 1990 who went by the moniker, Suds. He said he had been a brilliant mathematician but had to retire after a couple strokes. He kept coming up with the craziest stuff. The case in point is that, upon having unearthed and translated a pillar upon which the Code of Hammurabi was inscribed, it became obvious that Mosaic Law was mostly a copy of the Code. Now, please try to keep the timelines straight here. Hammurabi ruled Babylon c. 1792 BCE to c. 1750 BCE. As for when Moses is supposed to have lived:
quote: Those dates would mean that Hammurabi not only came before Moses, but predated him by two to four centuries. Therefore, as to the question of whether Hammurabi would have copied from Moses or Moses from Hammurabi, it is extremely and undeniably obvious because of how time works that Moses had copied from Hammurabi. Or rather, since Moses is a legendary figure and the Book of Exodus was initially written during the Babylonian Exile, laws that had been set down by Hammurabi became incorporated in the text -- a very common phenomenon in oral traditions is the incorporation of new information into the old. However, Suds insisted that it was Hammurabi who had copied from Moses despite his existing two to four centuries before Moses even existed. Doing the Christian Time Warp again. Though Suds did come up with a jewel of wisdom. Mind you, he was a staunch Christian. He stated that it does not matter one bit whether Christianity is true or not, nor whether Jesus ever actually existed. None of that actually matters, but rather what does actually matter is that the people of Europe believed that Jesus existed and that Christianity was true. Because Western Europe, by acting as if Christianity were true (note use of the subjunctive there) the outcome has been the exact same as if Christianity were actually true. So in summary, results come from what people believe rather than from whether what you believe is true or not. Like Rick Perry (who earned for Dubya the title in Texas of "the smart one") said:
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Phat writes: You will likely say that this is fake, though I know for a fact that it is real. How? your assertions appear free of any evidence. Phat, I asked you to read the Gospel According to Matthew, not the Necronomicon by H.P. Lovecraft. I'm glad I don't believe in boogeymen and demons instead of physics and biology. Makes me a better person.The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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Mercury Junior Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 23 From: Socorro, NM, USA Joined:
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The altar of socialism, you say?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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dwise1 writes: You claim to believe in and follow your "Jesus", though you seem to have a unique "Jesus" different from others' and certainly different from what's in the Bible (which you choose to ignore when it gets inconvenient) and whom you created for your own personal use (while claiming that he actually exists, unlike all the other Jesuses). And yet you adamantly refuse to follow his teachings. Couldn't have said it better.
You're in a union! Where do you think that unions come from and how they were formed? You already worship at "the altar of socialism" and serve it. Plus, it would help if you were to try to learn something about "the S-word" that you throw about so easily. I don't think it means what you think it means. As a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America, I can tell anyone curious what it means to me. I didn't learn socialism from Karl Marx, I learned it primarily from Jesus Christ. Perhaps that is what Phat is afraid of.The problem with knowing everything is learning nothing. If you don't know what you're doing, find someone who does, and do what they do. Republican = death
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
As a card-carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America, I can tell anyone curious what it means to me. I didn't learn socialism from Karl Marx, I learned it primarily from Jesus Christ. I can see Jesus as a socialist, though not anything like the socialist-leaning Democrats in America. Jesus suggested we share. They want it mandated. Perhaps that is what Phat is afraid of."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Mercury Junior Member (Idle past 713 days) Posts: 23 From: Socorro, NM, USA Joined: |
Phat writes: I can see Jesus as a socialist, though not anything like the socialist-leaning Democrats in America. Jesus suggested we share. They want it mandated. What is religion, if not mandated sharing?
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It's called "society". keep in mind that society is made up of a large number of believers. (By believers I specifically mean belief that Jesus Christ lives today and that there is a spiritual realm of angelic and demonic spirits).
Ligonier Ministries writes: “The God hypothesis is no longer necessary to explain the origin of the universe or the development of human life.” This assertion was at the very heart of the movement that took place in the eighteenth century that we call the Enlightenment or the Aufklärung. This movement spread from Germany to France and then to England. The French Encyclopedists (writers of an encyclopedia during the eighteenth century that promoted secular humanism) were militant in their denial of the need for the existence of God. His existence was seen as no longer necessary because He had been supplanted by the “science” of that period that explained the universe in terms of spontaneous generation. Here we see an example of pseudoscience supplanting sound philosophy and theology. Added to this, we have the agnosticism of the titanic philosopher Immanuel Kant, who argued that it is impossible for science or philosophy to acquire knowledge of the metaphysical realm of God. It was declared that all knowledge must be restricted to the realm of the natural. With the combination of Kant’s agnosticism and the hypothesis of the Enlightenment, the door was open wide to a thoroughgoing philosophy of naturalism. This philosophy captured in its wake the academic theologians of Europe in the nineteenth century. Out of this came nineteenth-century liberalism with its militant anti-supernatural perspective. The liberalism of that era denied all of the supernatural elements of the Christian faith, including the virgin birth of Jesus, His miracles, His atoning death, and His resurrection. The supernatural was stripped altogether from Christianity. Commenting on this in the twentieth century, the Swiss theologian Emil Brunner described nineteenth century liberalism as mere “unbelief in disguise.” This battle has been going on longer than when Bush edged out Al Gore and the Conservatives usurped the Liberals who since have battled back and forth. (split largely down the middle.) Each side sees it as a battle for hearts and minds, though I see it first as a literal supernatural war of sorts. I believe that that realm is real."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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