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Message 146 of 895 (884609)
02-26-2021 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by ringo
02-26-2021 11:17 AM


Re: Get on doing whatever you do quietly
Phat writes:
... and that by inference God does not exist except as a human creation?
That's a whole different construction crew. One conclusion is not necessarily inferred by the other but both are based on the same evidence.
So what’s missing that would cause you to treat god in the same way you treat jesus? Or is there some additional element here that prevents their both being treated alike?

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AZPaul3
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Message 150 of 895 (884613)
02-27-2021 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Phat
02-27-2021 12:03 AM


Re: Get on doing whatever you do quietly
Its a bit like treating a glass of water the same way that you would treat a Typhoon.
How can that be if they are the same? Is jesus not god? Is god not jesus.
Are they the same or are they not?

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Message 161 of 895 (884637)
02-28-2021 3:15 AM


OK, this week The Church has decided to pick on Phat some more.
I know he really likes this guy.
No, no I'm not equating his topic with Phat personally, but, as usual, I am at Phat's sloppy thinking about his creed. If we're going to drag Phat down to the depths of atheism we gotta get his thinking right first. A taste of baby can follow after that.
Narcissism - inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.
And to think this non-existent jesus guy was trying to teach quite the opposite.

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Message 168 of 895 (884650)
02-28-2021 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Phat
02-28-2021 3:41 PM


Re: J.Noble Dagget Whines Again
OMG Enough with this little Mousey Whiner akin to 1970's True Grit Lawyer J.Noble Dagget.
Oh there will be much more of him in the future, god willing and the creek don't rise.
It is just a result of your refusal to allow for Him to reveal Himself to your critically thinking skeptical minds.
If you think some god is pining and whining for my personal attention - here I am. Through your personal sponsorship kindly inform your god, if it doesn't already know, that I await his pleasure. Tell it I surrender. I place myself at his mercy to come and reveal whatever the loving snot he wants outta me. I am his.
Torture me if he must but I will know. I will have the knowledge. I will know the truth about the universe and on that knowledge alone I will be free in my own mind.
Come to me, Whoever, God of Whatever.
Phat says you're a good guy. History says you're a piece of shit. Science says you're a charlatan. So which is it?
How many times have we each screamed that out into the aether of the internet? The aethernet?
Now, I'm not against living forever in paradise but what is it I have to do to get that again? Specifics, please.
And what does forever living in paradise entail? Not looking for a daily schedule or anything like that, though a few examples would be nice, but in medium kinda strokes what would you expect us to do up there in heavenly bliss with you on a general basis?
I'll anxiously await your revelation.
If I happen to doze off please wake me. I consider this important.
[addendum]
Hey Phat? I'm real rusty at this. How long do you guys hold onto a prayer before you figure he's not going to answer?
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Message 180 of 895 (884685)
03-02-2021 9:34 PM


Our Savior
OK some of you may not find this humorous.
Then again, you may not find much of anything humorous. That would seem to be a rather sad way to go through life but I don't walk in your shoes so who am I to judge.
This is humor. It's also a bit of a sword.
PZ Myers' blog Pharyngula
He's going to kill god for us. Our true savior has come.
Watch the logic go “Wheeeeeeee!”
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AZPaul3
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Message 181 of 895 (884758)
03-06-2021 11:38 PM


Sundae Skripture Reeding
Today's scripture reading isn't.
I have cajoled one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Ego I believe, into giving us some excellent insight.
Now come on folks, just because he's a dickhead on some important things doesn't mean he isn't right on others.
OK. No blind links. Summarized here in my own words followed by the source.
The bible sucks.
Over to you, Sam.
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Message 183 of 895 (884763)
03-07-2021 10:39 AM
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03-07-2021 9:33 AM


Re: Sundae Skripture Reeding
Because I haven't found a video of him addressing the subject.
If I do find one I'll be sure to put it up just for you.

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Message 187 of 895 (884797)
03-08-2021 11:28 AM


Compromise.
Ok, dwise1, Phat,
We'll do a compromise.
I was going to post a 1 hr vid and short analysis of Christopher Hitchens dissing god in the extreme, as Hitch does.
Instead, I'll hold that for another Sunday Sermon and, if there are no objections, go with a couple Way Of The Mister, part 1 and part 2, vids, back to back, that I've been saving for an appropriate spot to come along to fit them in.
That way Phat gets to resurrect his J.Noble Daggett schtick in complaint and dwise1 gets to kick Phat in the ass again.
We all have fun. That's win-win.

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Message 191 of 895 (884806)
03-08-2021 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by jar
03-08-2021 4:02 PM


Re: Compromise.
Curiosity, jar.
How do you define believer?

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Message 193 of 895 (884809)
03-08-2021 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Phat
03-08-2021 1:27 PM


Re: Compromise.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE A BELIEVER AND A STRONG CRITICAL THINKER?
Well, if one is a critical thinker then how does one not critically think on belief?
Then again, max critical thinking equals analysis paralysis? So, I can see where levels of critical thinking might be.
What is strong critical thinking vis--vis some other level?
Which leads me now to believe that critical thinkers never settle for any absolutes
Ok, an absolute statement saying critical thinkers never settle for any absolutes. Most absolutely I can support that.
I am finding out that it is hard to do and that a loyal critical thinker would be unafraid to "throw God away" in the pursuit of truth.
Whoa, down there big fella!
Keep this up and you'll be applying reason and logic to your basic beliefs. Soon after that you may see a different kind of light.
If you get a hankering for the taste of baby let me know. I have some good low-sodium recipes.
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Message 195 of 895 (884811)
03-08-2021 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by jar
03-08-2021 7:10 PM


Re: Compromise.
Personally I believe ...
As always just slap me around if I overstep, but
Why?

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AZPaul3
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Message 197 of 895 (884813)
03-08-2021 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by kjsimons
03-08-2021 7:48 PM


Re: Compromise.
Ahaa! Gottcha!
There is evidence. The very fact that there are no facts in evidence where there should be if the belief were actual is evidence of its non-existence.
What a rabbit hole.
Yes, sir! We can critically think the crap out of anything evidence or not.

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AZPaul3
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Message 202 of 895 (884882)
03-11-2021 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Phat
03-10-2021 4:52 PM


Re: Compromise.
I understand and believe that had I not been born into a United Methodist/Masonic/secular thinking family here in the West, I may or may not have had the same basic beliefs which I now have. They likely would differ, but not so far as to simply embrace another religion.
bold emphasis mine.
Oh, you most probably would. You would have had the same say in your choice of religious acculturation there as you went through here. None at all. Religion is a cultural inheritance as powerful and penetrating as a genetic one.
You grew up in this culture. Even before your conversion you were primed to "belief" for Christian, Da Flag and girls with big knockers. The American way. Then fell into a specific cult (American Christian Woo-Woo Church: Demons, Devils and Ghosts Believers' Branch, Reformed) for personal emotional reasons.
There is a reason there are so many more Christians in Denver than in Riyadh.
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AZPaul3
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Message 203 of 895 (884921)
03-14-2021 12:38 PM


Happy Pi Day
First, Happy Pi Day! to all the hardcore STEM nerds out there.
I promised some folk a double down on a favored video character. Here is the double barrel, but you can’t claim too much boredom cuz they’re short.
In these two, they are a matched pair, our favorite Mister takes on the apologetics of a young evangelical YouTuber.
Suffering, evil and free will surface most often. Why didn’t god just do heaven and skip the evil-blood-suffering-on-Earth thing?
Cameron, the apologist, just picks fantasies out of his, uh, head to answer. One of my favorites was evil, suffering, blood and death were necessary for character development. Say what?
Conclusion. The conclusion is not hard to guess. Religion is stupid.


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AZPaul3
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Message 206 of 895 (884932)
03-15-2021 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by Phat
03-15-2021 6:32 AM


Re: Compromise.
Oh, please explain away. Why is monotheism superior to these others? Especially since history and logic suggest they are each equal facets of the same thing ... irrational superstition.

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