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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Bye Mike, feel free to drop back in anytime to cheer us all up with your crazed pseudo-logic and fake humility.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Phat writes: My belief is no mere superstition. You believe in primitive iron-age myths of ghosts and miracles. Of course it's a superstition. But it's laced with politics and power and the all very human manipulation of others.
If I catch your "kid" in a dark alley I shall freely and boldly share my faith and you and an army of liberal activists wont stop me. And there you have it.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Why is it necessary to have any concept at all of right and wrong in a god made world? Without the concept of wrong, there's no concept of right. And vice-versa. Everybody just gets along.
God seemed perfectly able to do it in Eden and presumably heaven.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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The thinking goes
God made everythingWe've got suffering Therefore suffering is necessary We now need to make up a reason why the daft bastard did it this way. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
quote: Why have you experience it but billions of others haven't? Why are you special and I'm not? Why would a fair god reveal himself to you and not the Hindu, given that the stakes are our everlasting souls?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
quote: That's no answer is it? The fact is you have had the revelation and others have not.
quote: What you believe is irrelevant, the fact is you were chosen to be given the revelation and Mrs Jones wasn't. Why?
quote: Then you can't learn. All you're actually prepared to do is accept information you already agree with.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
quote: The Jews have been waiting for that to happen longer than the Christians. It's just more self-importance that not only are you chosen personally while billions of others aren't, but also that all this other stuff will happen in YOUR lifetime that hasn't happened in all those years.
quote: No they won't Phat. No one but you fundies care about your stuff. So long as you get on doing whatever you do quietly and don't bother the rest of us, we simply don't care. What will happen is what is happening, your religion will moderate and fade, that's all. It'll gradually die out like it's doing all over the modern world.
quote: It is a martyr complex. But without the martyrdom, just a part of your self-importance and apocalyptical thinking.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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quote: It makes sense but more importantly it's measurably and objectively happening and has been for a couple of hundred years.
quote: Says Phat. Talk to a Jew, a Hindu, or other religious zealot and he'll tell you that his god is real not yours.
quote: Live a life in error, just in case eh? To coin a phrase ,"sad".Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat writes: So I bet you think I think he is in hell, right? Actually were I God, I would love to personally adopt Christopher and take a long walk with Him in the great beyond But, according to your belief system, he is going to hell isn't he?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: Depends who you ask Exactly.
I will say this much. Hell, if hell exists is a place where free will that rejects God even after meeting Him will (must) reside. Depends who you ask.
Hell was never created for humans. It is a place where rebellious spirits must end up...since the universe(multiverse?) belongs to God and will where His loving judgement and edicts reign. Depends who you ask.
God is giving all of us the timeframe and opportunity to choose. Depends who you ask. Thing is Phat, you can make up anything at all about this god can't you? It just depends who you ask. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat writes: The excuses and explanations may all be relative but the truth is absolute. Except you have absolutely no clue what this 'truth' is have you? Because 'it depends' (on what you believe).
I can ask a thousand people and it wont matter. They all wont be right. And yet, you know that YOU are right (and they know that they are right). Why doesn't that 'depend' too?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
One of the strongest demonstrations of the power of suggestion and charismatic leaders was that video someone showed here about the guy that could knock people over without touching them. Anyone know where that video is?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
That's the one I think
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
quote: It's the faith healer/ demon extractor thing. Phat thinks it's impressive. It's all very easily explained by either fakery or the power of the human brain to believe something dumb really strongly. The fighters believed - or were faking - that the MMA guy could knock them over without touching them. The fighter actually believed it too. So it all worked. But it all turned to shit when he met someone without that dumb belief.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: I dont think the 1-15 acid and mushroom trips I took ever had long term effects on my mental health today, Maybe not, but they do cast a lot of light on the experience you said you had when you originally got convinced of this god stuff by seeing/talking to JC. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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