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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Think Phat.
In you example those told to depart did know Jesus. It was Jesus that did not know them.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: This gets back to your belief that many of the goats are Christians. Not quite Phat; ALL of the Goats are followers of Jesus, proto-Christians.
Phat writes: If the goats were Christians whom He never knew, why would they even have the importation to do anything? LOL. It 'splains it in the story Phat. Read the story. It is directly explained.
Phat writes: I argue, however, that it takes that inner awareness of the reality of His existence to even give me the desire to share this stuff with others, (arguing endlessly with some ) Share what stuff Phat? Preaching is worthless. It is only doing that has any value and the value is based in what is done, not why it was done or who it was done for or any of the other nonsense that the Apologist Shils market.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: My point is that if the goats had never met Jesus, at worst they would be catering to favored people and not to the needy folks and would not even have a clue who Jesus was or who God was...they would simply find themselves at this judgement day and watch the sheep get blessed. LOL But that is NOT what the story says, is it? Again, like all the Apologists you just make up shit to deny what is actually written and then claim to be Biblical Christians. You and the CCoI are so pathetic.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And as always you change the subject to avoid actually admitting what is actually written in the Bible.
You can't follow a topic or address what is presented to you and can only continue to deny reality and instead either change the subject or run away. Pathetic.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: You will argue that if "the God" has foreknowledge that humans will end up choosing unwisely and thus ending up damned, then that God is evil and should be opposed. Almost. If "the God" having foreknowledge that humans will end up choosing unwisely still creates the human that thus ends up damned, then that God is pure evil and must be condemned and opposed. But everything in the refutation you quoted is just classic conman spiel from classic conmen; utterly stupid and should be laughed off the stage if tried.
quote: That is simply classic attempts to avoid and get around reality, reason and honesty. Edited by jar, : fix quote box
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: And when you say "that God is pure evil and must be condemned and opposed"I think in terms of Satan. God is good. Satan isn't. But what confuses me about your Theology is you and ringo insisting that the metaphorical snake told the truth. Everyone knows that satan has no truth in him. No Phat, the Apologists try to market that but it is NOT what is said in the Bible. The God in Genesis 1 might be said to be all good but is also not omniscient and is aloof and totally distant from and unconnected from all of what is created. The God in Genesis 2&3 does lie or avoid telling the truth while the Serpent always tells the truth throughout the story. That God is also not omniscient. The issue is that you do not accept the Bible as actually being authoritative or even saying what is actually written and insist on creating the God and Bible you desire.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Why must certain foreknowledge eliminate our responsibility? LOL That has been explained to you a brazillion times Phat. If God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen then God is responsible for all that it created. If God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen and God has foreknowledge then God is responsible for all that is done by what it created. If God is the creator of all that is seen and unseen and God has foreknowledge then God is responsible for all that is done by what it created and if anything created is then damned then that God is also evil and unworthy of anything but contempt.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I challenge thatg assumption. Is a parent responsible for their childs behavior beyond the age of accountability? Is that Grandparent responsible for how their child raises their grandchildren? Why then must God be responsible for our behavior and our choices? Do you even know what "all that is, seen and unseen" includes? All that is. Good, bad, sad, happy. All that is.
Phat writes: Foreknowledge is irrelevant. It is quite simply none of our business what God knows and when. It is relevant to those Christians that claim God has foreknowledge.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: IF Some humans will be sheep and some humans will be goats (as implied by scripture) does it matter WHEN GOD knows and judges them? And you still refuse or unable to read what I post it seems. Are you really so incapable or reading or comprehension that you cannot understand the difference between before creating and after creating? Are you really that dumb Phat or are you simply unwilling to think?My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
No Phat, you are just being willfully stupid. Sorry but that is a fact. You have no point and it is not that you fail to see; it is that you refuse to see. Is there a time before something is created and after something is created? Edited by jar, : add last lineMy Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No Phat, you know that is not true and has absolutely nothing to do with anything I have said.
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I actually have no idea what my IQ is but I did go to school with some really really smart folk and in our junior or senior year they snuck into the office at night and pulled the IQ files for all the kids in our class.
They have told me that my IQ was "scary" but whether it was scary high or scary low is unknown.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are still refusing to actually address the argument Phat.
Satan is irrelevant. Lucifer is irrelevant. Judgement is irrelevant. The issue is "the creation". If God has foreknowledge and creates a critter that is going to hell then that God is evil. Period. Full stop. It is impossible to have a God that has foreknowledge and is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, if anything is ever condemned to hell. But remember, there is absolutely no reason that God should not be evil.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So if the snake were simply a plot device and all evil is within us and God is complete rather than just "good", The only real charge that we have from Him is to choose this day whom we will serve. No Phat. Whom we will serve is irrelevant, immaterial, unimportant, silly, divisive, counter productive and worthless. The charge is "what will we do!"My Website: My Website
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