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AZPaul3
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Message 3 of 105 (882491)
09-26-2020 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
09-25-2020 11:44 PM


Oh, nwr, you didn't have to encourage him. We're trying to cure him of this bad case of religion.

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Message 6 of 105 (882500)
09-26-2020 9:54 AM
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09-26-2020 3:47 AM


Unless your first quote from him is, "There is no god. The supernatural isn't. Physics rules the universe," then there really is nothing he can teach me.
If you do find such a quote then by all means bring it on and we can all sit around the campfire, hold hands and sing kumbaya over his self-improvement book.

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Message 10 of 105 (882507)
09-26-2020 2:03 PM
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09-26-2020 10:53 AM


Re: Leaarning From Others
But let me read the book before hitting you up with any quotes for comment.
I suppose, since I can't stop you and you're going to do it anyways, I should be patient and see what you produce.
But, I gotta tell ya, Phat, this "mystic" stuff is already 10 strikes against him.
I wouldn't expect much in the way of intellectual enlightenment from him no matter how he misuses and abuses the "science" he claims guides him.

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Message 12 of 105 (882516)
09-26-2020 11:09 PM
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09-26-2020 10:41 PM


That may be so but as Acolytes Of Reality it is our mission to spread the Good Word to all nations and peoples lest they miss the joys and wonders of the One True Reality of the universe.

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Message 14 of 105 (882518)
09-27-2020 12:25 AM
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09-26-2020 11:57 PM


How do you do that? How do you get a religionist to understand enough reality for them to realize the futility of religious thought? How do you get them interested enough to pull their heads out it? The books, I mean.

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Message 20 of 105 (882524)
09-27-2020 8:22 AM
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09-27-2020 2:05 AM


Re: First Of All
Just because I choose to believe in the supernatural (largely for my own reasons) is no reason to doubt my intelligence.
Phat, this is precisely the reason to question your intellect. Or at least question your lack of use of the intellect god gave you.
Despite your protestations there is nothing there. The evidence of reality, from the cosmos thru the history of religion in our species, to the revealed spurious nature of holy books and their miracles, all lead inevitably to the conclusion that religion is a human construct with no viability.
The priests got to you early and turned off your BullShit MeterTM before feeding you their catechism. You need to turn it back on and calibrate it to reality.
No one is trying to force you into believing "our way" but there is a mental roadblock in your thinking keeping you tied to some 3000 year old myths. It is time to cast off those chains.

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Message 35 of 105 (882561)
09-28-2020 4:17 PM
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09-28-2020 4:08 PM


Re: Leaarning From Others
He has the credentials and thus certainly qualifies for mystic.

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Message 42 of 105 (882583)
09-29-2020 12:59 PM
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09-29-2020 11:41 AM


Re: Learning From Others
... divine hiding ...
Religion has come up with some of the most demented and impossibly asinine concepts ever conceived from the depths of human ignorance ... but this one?
How fucking stupid can they get?

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Message 55 of 105 (882750)
10-08-2020 6:27 PM
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10-08-2020 12:49 AM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
And evidence should not be a necessary standard. Science Mike says as much.
Guess what? You have a handful++ "Science Mikes" right here in these forums that have been telling you for more than a decade quite the opposite.
Why would you fall so hard for the former rather than the rest of us? We're not in it for the money. We're in it for the reality.
Your Science Mike is wrong, Phat. Reality is all there can ever be and scientifically accepted evidence is its only key.

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Message 57 of 105 (882753)
10-09-2020 12:15 AM
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10-08-2020 11:45 PM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
So, like, where is the evidence. I don't see it.
You have a story of how one local mythic legend used another local mythic legend to make the point that miracles don't exist.
If this is evidence of something I have no idea what it might be.
Remember we talk to the brain-dead around here so you have to spell out, in intricate detail, where/what/how this evidence is in your quote.
So far? Nada.

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Message 64 of 105 (882765)
10-09-2020 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Phat
10-09-2020 5:05 AM


Re: A Handful Of "Science Mikes"
Evidence, Phat. You already produced the evidence. Now you need to recognize it.
Your Message 53:
quote:
And evidence should not be a necessary standard. Science Mike says as much
That is the evidence I have to rely on. I am not going to invest my time reading some mystic's cash-grab book. You let us know what it says and if you convey the meaning properly then I have something solid to discuss.
In this case, "evidence should not be a necessary standard" is wrong. It is wrong as a matter of logic, reality and fact. This has been shown in legions of studies and discoveries for centuries. In our modern age this kind of quack pronouncement should never be uttered let alone be given any legitimacy as logical human thought.
First of all, this "handful of Science Mikes" here at EvC all think differently.
And we've all said the same thing. Evidence is not just king it is the ONLY engine allowed on the road to reality.
It does not matter if he says it's a personal belief and he never suggests that his personal experience should persuade anybody else. Bullshit. He wrote the book to deliberately spread his poison in exchange for money.
So egregiously poisonous is this view that if your mystic really says evidence should not be a necessary standard then he is not worth any further consideration on ANYTHING he may espouse.

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Message 65 of 105 (882766)
10-09-2020 4:30 PM
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10-09-2020 5:05 AM


Re: A Handful Of "Science Mikes"
As for you, I have no idea which pagan spirituality you dabbled with in Arizona, but you are clearly claiming to be an atheist...and a fundementalist atheist at that.
Atheist? Me? Heaven forbid I should be so calm.
I am anti-theist and the pagan spirituality I dabble in is called Science. You may have heard if it. It's that thing now loose in this world that has made your creed, and all such creeds, obsolete in humanity and, slowly, inevitably, will make your religions extinct.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 68 of 105 (882778)
10-10-2020 2:04 PM
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10-10-2020 11:39 AM


Re: A Handful Of "Science Mikes"
You shall be as gods.
We are indeed. You think getting images, voices, music on a piece of wood in your hand is god-like wait till you see what we do with CRISPR-cas9.
You just don't get it.
Oh, I get your BS, Phat.
I reject it. Stomp it into the ground. Nail it to a piece of tree and watch it die.

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I am antifa.

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