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Author Topic:   Finding God In The Waves
Astrophile
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Message 32 of 105 (882558)
09-28-2020 3:01 PM
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09-26-2020 10:53 AM


Re: Leaarning From Others
What if I told you that he once was a believer in the traditional apologetic sense that our jar from Texas hates so much, became an atheist,(thinking very similar to you and Tangle, and ringo...with some similarities to jar and stile, though absolutely NO similarity to myself(obviously), then he became a Mystic and "found God in the Waves(An epiphany of feelings while on the beach one day(this from a science mind) and the journey in this book anyway ends by him becoming who he is now. He still thinks scientificallyu. He does not push beliefs, though he does not fight them as you seem to do.
It would be helpful if you could tell us what scientific qualifications Mr. McHargue has.

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Astrophile
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Message 33 of 105 (882559)
09-28-2020 3:13 PM
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09-28-2020 9:53 AM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
The author provides some core definitions which he presumably believes to be useful. (Taken from the Acknowledgments}
There are five more which I might bring up later. Any word salad there, O Critic?
Do the 'five more' definitions include the word 'evidence'?

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Astrophile
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Message 43 of 105 (882586)
09-29-2020 4:34 PM
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09-28-2020 4:08 PM


Re: Leaarning From Others
This is from Mike McHargue's website,
"Now, in terms of expertise, I do not hold any degree at all. I didn't go to college at all, so I have no formal education in the sciences or theology. I'm a self-made technologist and business person."
Thank-you; that tells me what I need to know.

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Astrophile
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Message 45 of 105 (882588)
09-29-2020 4:42 PM
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09-29-2020 11:41 AM


Re: Learning From Others
You guys love that word, don't you?
Sometimes I feel as if though I myself have to represent my own argument rather than pointing to (or cutting & pasting from) other arguments, but what all of you need to understand is that I form my argument from words, phrases, and conceptual ideas. 90% of the time, these words and ideas are borrowed from others and tested within my own mind and heart before becoming adopted (or adapted) as my ideas. To me, my internal feelings, perceptions and intuition are evidence.
OK, here is an example from something I read from an as yet unknown author. Allow me to share:
You could have answered my question in one word. Since you did not, I take it that the answer is 'No'. However, to give you a second opportunity, I will re-word my question; what are the 'five more' definitions that the author provides?

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Astrophile
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Message 46 of 105 (882589)
09-29-2020 4:44 PM
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09-29-2020 4:41 PM


Re: Leaarning From Others
Are you sure? He's written a book you know.
Yes, I asked a question and I received an answer. If I need to know more, I shall ask other questions.

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Astrophile
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Message 48 of 105 (882617)
10-01-2020 5:25 PM
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09-30-2020 8:15 AM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
OK, the answer is no.
Thank-you; you have told me what I need to know. You see, it's quite easy when you simply answer the question rather than launching on a defence of your convictions.

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Astrophile
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Message 52 of 105 (882701)
10-05-2020 7:22 PM
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10-04-2020 3:07 PM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
Watch the video for ten minutes (between 40:00 and 50:00) and tell me what you think now. Im liking this guy more and more, though he probably would agree with jar more than he would with me.
He seems to be a good and likeable person, but, from what I saw in the ten minutes of the video, there is no evidence that the God of love who forms the foundation of his life has any objective existence or is anything more than the creation of his own mind. On his own account, he rejects the Bible as a valid historical account of events, and his moral principles appear to be much better than those taught in the Bible. There is nothing in what he says that could make me think that any religion is objectively true; at best, religions give us a reason to love our neighbours and provide a comfort in a harsh world.
I am submitting this only because you asked me to tell you what I think.

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