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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: But your logic...*ahem* excuse me...Jesus logic is to sell all that I have. How is that taking care of me? How is being homeless taking care of me? You really do push this stuff to its theoretical limits, but you are not being practical. Im 60 years old. I cant sell my house. End of story. I'm telling you what JESUS told you to do. And there's no "audacity" involved. It's a direct quote. AND it isn't a one-off either. It's a theme repeated many times in the Bible.It's about trusting God to take care of you. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
How is that taking care of me? How is being homeless taking care of me?
The point is god will take care of you, don't you have faith in your lord?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
ringo writes: How is that taking care of me? How is being homeless taking care of me? Allah will provide.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: See its all amusing to those of you who imagine yourselves enlightened enough to shed religion. You expect any religious guy worth listening to to have shed all of their worldly goods and waunder around like a vagabond hippie, helping homeless and sick people and taking no concern for themselves. Allah will provide. And I can hear him now...ringo will say "thats what Jesus did". Jesus already died for all of us... He doesn't expect us to piously imitate His poverty. He does expect us to remove any obstacles in our lives that prevent us from trusting Him (or GOD) fully, so I can see your arguments...I simply do not agree with the necessary severity of them. And isnt it funny how it is the atheists who attempt to hold the Christian leaders to a vow of poverty when they themselves dont even believe that God exists. Y'all just mad that some of the carny hucksters exploited people for money so you push the entirely opposite extreme of every Christian leader leading by example and giving up all their worldly stuff to the poor. But the poor will always be with us, and becoming poor yourself does not solve the problem."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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You were going on about ringo not taking a leap of faith in your discussion. He doesn't believe in this leap of faith you say is so necessary.
Now is your time to lead. Show us what such a leap of faith would look like. Sell your properties and possessions and take ThugPreachea to the other side of the tracks to witness the word to the struggling poor. If you are a follower of Jesus then you have no reason not to. Leap with the faith that your god will provide for your needs. That's a tall order for anyone. Still want to be a christian? Realize if you can't do it then you cannot ask anyone else to be christian either.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dr.Jones writes: You got me there. I see it as an unnecessary sacrifice. Also an unwise one. The fact that it might impress a few of you is not enough motivation to do it.
The point is god will take care of you, don't you have faith in your lord?-AZPaul3 writes:
But I'm not asking *you* to give up anything more than your rational mind and to place trust in an invisible and un-evidenced God. You are asking me to give up my shelter and all of my possessions. And yes that's a tall order for anyone. Show us what such a leap of faith would look like. Sell your properties and possessions and take Thugpreacha to the other side of the tracks to witness the word to the struggling poor. If you are a follower of Jesus then you have no reason not to. Leap with the faith that your god will provide for your needs. That's a tall order for anyone. Still want to be a christian? Realize if you can't do it then you cannot ask anyone else to be christian either. Edited by Phat, : spelling"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Thinking further about this challenge from my atheist brothers, I ran to the scriptures, as any good little apologist would do. After all, most of them would squirm as much as I am at this moment!
Satan Tempts Jesus Luke 4:1-13 writes: I will be honest with you---your challenge bothers me because I realize that I cant do it. Granted I could see it as being a temptation from Satan, (especially coming from you ) but in all honesty, Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert and the way I read that it was the Holy Spirit and not the adversary that led Him into that time of denial and fasting. Isnt it just like God to use an atheist to convict me! Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 being tempted for forty days by the devil. And in those days He ate nothing, and afterward, when they had ended, He was hungry. 3 And the devil said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread." 4 But Jesus answered him, saying, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.'" 5 Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours." 8 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.'" 9 Then he brought Him to Jerusalem, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here. 10 For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,To keep you,' 11 and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up,Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'" 12 And Jesus answered and said to him, "It has been said, 'You shall not tempt the LORD your God.'" 13 Now when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time.NKJV So I guess I cant ever encourage any of you to take Leaps of Faith since I cant do it either. Not that I feel led by the Spirit to give up all that I have. But you did touch a nerve. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I see it as an unnecessary sacrifice. Also an unwise one.
nevertheless it is what your lord requires of you, who are you to oppose his will?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Everything isn't about taking care of you.
How is that taking care of me? How is being homeless taking care of me? Phat writes:
I'm not pushing anything. It's what Jesus said. You really do push this stuff to its theoretical limits.... And it isn't just theoretical: The church at Rome, Jesus Himself, His disciples, the woman with two mites, the widow who fed Elijah, missionaries, clergymen, ascetics from various religions...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Clearly He does. He doesn't expect us to piously imitate His poverty."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: You expect any religious guy worth listening to to have shed all of their worldly goods and waunder around like a vagabond hippie, helping homeless and sick people and taking no concern for themselves. ‘We’ don't expect anything. 'We' are simply pointing out what it says in your book. Every Christian that I have ever met participates in a pick 'n mix form of the belief. It's just as well they do because Christ's message does not allow our society to function if it was followed by all.
And I can hear him now...ringo will say "thats what Jesus did". And you know he's right.
He doesn't expect us to piously imitate His poverty. No he commands you to actually do it. But only, of course, if you want to be saved. Jolly inconvenient.
But the poor will always be with us, and becoming poor yourself does not solve the problem. That's a rationalisation. You're trying to find an excuse for not doing what your Lord commands you to do. You don't actually believe Christ's message Phat, do you? You only choose to believe those bits that are good for you. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: You don't actually believe Christ's message Phat, do you? You only choose to believe those bits that are good for you. I can sum all of this concern up in one answer. I know Christ beyond simply as a character in a book. I don't have to look up what He says in the book to verify any command or will of His. This is what you people cant see..or if you do see it you will only claim that it is all a fantasy of ours. Some of us actually know the living Christ. At best, the book will confirm what He wants us to do but we never limit our interpretation of His Daily Will for us to the character and characters in the Book. And i know you will now say that this is why Christianity is such a danger to the world. It wont go away quietly. And one more thing. We believe in confirmation through the living Body of Christ. Not through a bunch of atheistic Critical Thinkers. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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The challenge, the temptation, is not coming from me.
It is coming from the tenets of your own religion. Like a Buddhist monk challenged to seek enlightenment you keep trying and praying to be christian but you just can't seem to levitate. Butt will just not leave the floor. Phat The Flying MonkTM is not going to happen. Your christian ideal is unrealistic, an exaggeration of a false reality and cannot be reached. And if reached, cannot be maintained as a social norm. The christianity you and your brethren seek is not compatible with H. Sapiens. OK, so the ideal is out of reach. You still have something to strive for. Except, this case, divesting of all and walking the pauper's path in the glory of your god, is an example of false christian expectations. You cannot claim your seat in the choir by doing so because you realistically cannot do so. The expectation is not achievable. It is a false tenet. A lie. What other tenets of your faith are false, unobtainable? The promise of forever? Life after death? Infinite love, compassion and mercy? The resurrection? Those other leaps of faith are easy to make. They don't cost you anything to believe. But where do those expectations come from? While examining the reality of the one tenet, Phat, there are several more for you to look at with the same critical eye. Almost there, Phat. Come over to the dark side. Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Aussie Member Posts: 275 From: FL USA Joined:
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Yeah but the Left Wing is dominated by atheists, witches, all sorts of Trans Sexual paganism, Greta, and assorted humanist tree huggers. Hi Phat, I'm sorry dude, you used to NOT sound this crazy. Witches? Transsexual pagans? It's like your brain is being sucked into a really bad Lord of the Rings rip-off, and it's just sad to see. "...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I'm just ranting, Aussie. If you think I'm bad you should see some of the people I know. What I'm essentially saying, however is that extremists on the Left are every bit as toxic as extremists on the Far Right. Just different manifestations of toxicity.
My chore this morning is to get these 4 or 5 topics where I am ranting with y'all to somewhat get back to the listed topics at hand. This one is specifically about a Coming Great Depression...which I've noted is still discussed, seemingly financially imminent yet not manifesting in any notably apocalyptic ways. Do you see the possibility of such a global event? Or is someone holding it back until AFTER the elections?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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