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Juvenissun
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Message 2312 of 2370 (881644)
08-26-2020 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 2298 by dwise1
08-26-2020 1:32 PM


Re: Time scales
You must have a lot time to waste in this writing. Have nothing better to do?

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Message 2320 of 2370 (881671)
08-27-2020 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 2314 by dwise1
08-26-2020 8:21 PM


Re: Time scales
The actual rate is 2 ms per day per century, which means that after 100 years the day will be 2 milliseconds longer than it had been one hundred years before.
OK, I misquoted the unit. Sorry.
This argument just emphasized on that a tiny change may become significant through the geologic time. That, basically, is not directly related to my orbit change idea by collisions between the earth and other celestial bodies.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2322 of 2370 (881674)
08-27-2020 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2319 by Adminnemooseus
08-27-2020 2:03 AM


Re: Topic abandonment may trigger the wrath of moose
This topic's theme is pretty well defined by the topic title, "Did the Flood really happen?", the "Flood" being that as described in the Bible.
Juvenissun's topic related message content has been all but nonexistent, and the replies to his/her messages have often not been any better.
Honestly, if any of my arguments is not related to the Flood, I won't spend time doing it in this thread. The Flood is a BIG issue. It involves many many subtopics. TIME is a critical one of them. Like I said, if Noah is not real, then the Flood will not be real. Is a 960-year old Noah real? That is the issue in the recent posts.
Noah's age and time are not that much geology related, and I am not that good to talk about it. However, you may not say that what I argued about is not related to the Flood. Everything, when you examine it in very detail, it tends to become an issue apparently deviated from the issue on the surface.
In fact, I could quite the issue of earth's orbit and start another intrinsic factor about time, which is critical to the Flood. I am the one who is leading the direction of talk in this thread. The others just blindly followed my step, and are busy in criticizing whatever I talked about. A test of this would be that if I quit talking about earth's orbit, no one would mention this issue again.

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Message 2323 of 2370 (881675)
08-27-2020 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2321 by ringo
08-27-2020 12:17 PM


Re: Time scales
So maybe you know why there was never a flood on the moon. But what has that got to do with a flood on EARTH? What is there ON EARTH that makes a flood possible HERE? And if you say "granite," you have to explain HOW granite makes a flood possible here.
Your question is a logic followup. It is good one when compared to those asked by others.
If we can squeeze the moon into the mantle of the earth, then the moon rocks will start to generate water again. The key is that earth is big enough and is dynamic enough for the water to be made. While the moon is too small to do that. That is why we say that the moon is almost geologically dead. (curious about possible activity in the core of moon). When the moon was young and active, some water was generated by moon rocks. That is why we can find a small amount of ice on the moon today.

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Message 2325 of 2370 (881679)
08-27-2020 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 2318 by PaulK
08-27-2020 1:03 AM


Re: Time scales
I take it then, that your answer was simply unclear, and absolutely nothing is what you meant. Because your answer says nothing relevant at all.
My answer has some serious words in it. Why is it nothing?
Please do not answer this question.

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Message 2326 of 2370 (881681)
08-27-2020 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 2324 by ringo
08-27-2020 12:45 PM


Re: Time scales
THAT is where your problem is. You have to show that rocks generate water. Explain it very specifically.
Very good.
Rocks (igneous) contain (OH) ion in it. That is the source of free water. The problem is to squeeze this (OH) ion out. This could be done by reacting (OH)-bearing minerals in the rock into "dry" rocks which has no (OH)-bearing minerals. Normally, this kind of reactions take place when the T and P condition become higher, i.e. goes deeper into the earth. Of course, the freed water would go up to the surface.

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Message 2329 of 2370 (881685)
08-27-2020 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2316 by jar
08-26-2020 8:43 PM


Re: Time scales
Well, a red brick is kinda a geologist.
Can't help to say this, just tying to depress you.
One of my undergraduate student took a study on brick (artificial rock) as his undergraduate thesis. I was amazed on how many different kind of brick he collected and dissected.
You think you know bricks?

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Message 2330 of 2370 (881686)
08-27-2020 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2328 by ringo
08-27-2020 1:00 PM


Re: Time scales
Where does the required H+ ion come from?
How do you expect the reaction to take place in dry rocks?
Hey, consider to study geology? Excellent questions.
The (OH) [not H] get into igneous rocks by water already existed in magma. of course, when the rock is on the surface, a lot more water is available. The original earth (a molten globe) contained water in the magma. It would be very precious to get the hand on those "primitive" water today.
In general, the reaction is like this:
Wet-minerals + other minerals --> dry-minerals + H2O
This reaction needs input of energy.

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Message 2331 of 2370 (881688)
08-27-2020 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2327 by PaulK
08-27-2020 12:56 PM


Re: Time scales
I didn’t say that it was nothing. I said that it meant absolutely nothing - note the quote marks. Because it did not include anything that answered the question.
A term at a Ph.D. level will not mean anything to a kid.
Although, when that took place, it is, indeed, the fault of the Ph.D. if he ever want to communicate with the kid.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2337 of 2370 (881701)
08-27-2020 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2332 by PaulK
08-27-2020 1:18 PM


Re: Time scales
How do conditions on the Moon support the idea that there was a global Flood on Earth?
The moon rocks can generate some water. So the earth rocks can generate tremendous amount of water.
This is a very simple answer and you probably can not understand. But you can ask question.

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Message 2338 of 2370 (881702)
08-27-2020 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2333 by dwise1
08-27-2020 1:45 PM


Re: Time scales
[qs]Except that it doesn't work as you wish it would, as you need it to work in order to justify long lifespan that the story reports for Noah. This tiny change in the length of the earth's rotational period does result in hours of difference over long periods of geologic time, such as 12 hours [i]over the past four billion years (ie, 4,000 million years -- not everybody reading this uses the US billion). [/qs]
I did not say that single factor will work.

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Message 2339 of 2370 (881703)
08-27-2020 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2335 by Coragyps
08-27-2020 3:28 PM


Re: Time scales
Where does the hydrogen hide in those dry rocks?
There is no hydrogen [H+] in any rocks. There is only (OH-).
Dehydration is a main reaction in deep seated rocks of the earth.
Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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Message 2341 of 2370 (881705)
08-27-2020 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2336 by dwise1
08-27-2020 4:41 PM


Re: Definitions
When two bodies collide, the linear momentum of the new system is equal to the sum of the bodies' momentums. Keep in mind that velocity is a vector which means that it has direction as well as magnitude (AKA speed) -- I hope that that does not confuse you too much.
Again, you do not have to write so much.
What if the collision was between a moon-size or larger body and the earth? And they hit at an angle? Even at a 90 angle?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2342 of 2370 (881707)
08-27-2020 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2340 by PaulK
08-27-2020 5:14 PM


Re: Time scales
We already know that the Earth has a lot of water. So this adds nothing. Even if it is true.
It’s the sort of argument you wouldn’t bother with if you had anything worthwhile. But of course you don’t.
Your first sentence would sound better if it is a question.
It is your second sentence that turned me off. I really don't like to reply when I see a person talk with that attitude. Why should I?

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Message 2350 of 2370 (881722)
08-27-2020 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2344 by dwise1
08-27-2020 6:14 PM


Re: Time scales
or instance, the Earth's core is like a giant nuclear reactor that is gradually losing energy over time, and that loss in energy translates into a loss of mass.
But this is a tiny amount - he estimates no more than 16 tonnes a year.
it is also losing 50,000 tonnes of mass per year through losses in the core (I think through fission reactions)

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