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Coragyps
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Message 2071 of 2370 (880543)
08-07-2020 11:50 AM
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08-07-2020 10:25 AM


Re: Water in granite
To put numbers to this, a couple of review papers that pop up on the first page when you google granite permeability give numbers well down in the nanodarcy range, with a few ranging up to ten microdarcies or so. These numbers are in the very bottom of the range of permeabilities of the rocks that are targeted for hydraulic fracturing these days - where you pump a few million gallons of water into a shale/sandstone to free up gas and oil. And you pump it in at 2000+ gallons per minute and typically 10,000 psi. And much of that water comes back to surface in the following few weeks.
So getting water back into granite is not a trivial task. I’ve not dealt with granite specifically, Juvey, but I spent forty years in a career dealing with permeability of other rocks. I learned a little about the subject over that time. Your half-baked bullshit theories do not have wings, and are not going to fly.

"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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Coragyps
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Message 2095 of 2370 (880686)
08-09-2020 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2087 by Juvenissun
08-09-2020 6:32 AM


Re: Time scales
And, Juve, I don’t believe that you have reasoned on your evidence
either. Not even a little bit.

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Coragyps
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Message 2116 of 2370 (880859)
08-12-2020 8:15 PM
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08-12-2020 8:06 PM


Re: Time scales
How about, say, the State of Illinois? Nice, 200 foot deep topsoil that’s been there for at very least a couple of thousand years? You are talking nonsense, Juve.
Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.

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Coragyps
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Message 2139 of 2370 (881110)
08-18-2020 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2137 by Juvenissun
08-18-2020 11:23 AM


Re: Time scales
It’s perfectly normal for fictional characters to live that long, and longer. Sumerian kings lived 36,000 years and such, and their fictional legends are just as written down as Noah’s and Adam’s.

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Coragyps
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Message 2141 of 2370 (881117)
08-18-2020 12:52 PM
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08-18-2020 11:25 AM


Re: Time scales
Please point out any one example of human remains dated at millions of years old. Not hominid remains, now - human. I won’t hold my breath, Juve.
There are not just human remains that date back to the time of Noah. There are whole cultures, with cities, pyramids, other ruins and artifacts, that date right through that fictional time.

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Coragyps
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Message 2183 of 2370 (881376)
08-23-2020 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 2178 by Juvenissun
08-23-2020 7:45 AM


Re: Time scales
Show your math.

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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 734 days)
Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 2195 of 2370 (881408)
08-23-2020 3:10 PM
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08-23-2020 8:31 AM


Re: Time scales
Because your carefully worked out math should show whether even a great big honkin’ comet could alter the earth’s orbit enough to even measure, that’s why.

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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 734 days)
Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 2203 of 2370 (881429)
08-23-2020 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2201 by Juvenissun
08-23-2020 6:05 PM


Re: Time scales
I wouldn’t disagree with properly applied mathematics. The precise workings of orbital peturbations are pretty well worked out, and have been for a couple of centuries now to the sort of accuracy your speculations would require. I’d need to dig out a couple of old textbooks to critique your math, yes, but bring it here and I’ll do so.
Start, perhaps, with a fifty-kilometer diameter rocky asteroid coming within 500 km of the Earth’s surface, and tell me how much it shifts our orbit.

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Coragyps
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Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 2214 of 2370 (881452)
08-24-2020 1:04 PM


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It sure is a good thing that I am retired and quarantined. I waste
nearly all my time anyway, and threads like this one make it easier! Thanks, Juve!

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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 734 days)
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 2237 of 2370 (881493)
08-24-2020 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2235 by dwise1
08-24-2020 7:30 PM


Re: Time scales
Dwise1 - I’ll bet that Adam and Eve (and their direct progeny) just liked it HOT!!!

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Coragyps
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Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 2335 of 2370 (881695)
08-27-2020 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2326 by Juvenissun
08-27-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Time scales
Interesting! To think that I spent about fifty years as a chemist and never knew that! Thanks!
Where does the hydrogen hide in those dry rocks?

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