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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
ringo
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Message 2321 of 2370 (881673)
08-27-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2303 by Juvenissun
08-26-2020 5:38 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
There has not been a flood on the moon. The moon rocks are bone dry and moon rocks can not change like the same rocks would do on the earth. So the moon rocks stopped generating water soon after their formation.
Is it enough?
So maybe you know why there was never a flood on the moon. But what has that got to do with a flood on EARTH? What is there ON EARTH that makes a flood possible HERE? And if you say "granite," you have to explain HOW granite makes a flood possible here.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2324 of 2370 (881678)
08-27-2020 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2323 by Juvenissun
08-27-2020 12:32 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
If we can squeeze the moon into the mantle of the earth, then the moon rocks will start to generate water again.
THAT is where your problem is. You have to show that rocks generate water. Explain it very specifically.
You don't need to mention the moon at all.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2328 of 2370 (881684)
08-27-2020 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2326 by Juvenissun
08-27-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Rocks (igneous) contain (OH) ion in it. That is the source of free water. The problem is to squeeze this (OH) ion out. This could be done by reacting (OH)-bearing minerals in the rock into "dry" rocks which has no (OH)-bearing minerals.
Where does the required H+ ion come from?
How do you expect the reaction to take place in dry rocks?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2345 of 2370 (881713)
08-27-2020 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2330 by Juvenissun
08-27-2020 1:10 PM


Re: Time scales
Juveissun writes:
The (OH) [not H] get into igneous rocks by water already existed in magma.
But you stll need another H to turn OH into HOH.
Juvenissun writes:
In general, the reaction is like this:
Wet-minerals + other minerals --> dry-minerals + H2O
That's too general. Be more specific.
Juvenissun writes:
This reaction needs input of energy.
So where does that energy come from? And more important, how does the timing work? What triggers that reaction to make the water for the flood? And even more important, what triggers the reverse reation that hides the water in the rock after the flood?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2357 of 2370 (881736)
08-28-2020 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 2352 by Juvenissun
08-27-2020 10:22 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
All the water came out of the earth in a sudden.
Then that creates an even bigger problem for you.
But you didn't answer any of my questions:
1. Where does the input energy come from?
2 What triggers the reaction to make the water for the flood?
3. What triggers the reverse reaction that hides the water in the rock after the flood?
And don't forget my question from an earlier post:
4. Where does the extra H come from to turn OH into HOH?
Be specific. Answer each question individually and in detail.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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