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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
ringo
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Message 2135 of 2370 (881098)
08-18-2020 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 2134 by Juvenissun
08-17-2020 8:05 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Noah is not a normal human.
The Bible only mentions one thing about Noah that distinguishes him from "normal" humans:
quote:
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Noah was chosen. That's all.
Juvenissun writes:
You can not use modern human to reason things happened in Noah's time.
Of course you can. There's no reason to think the laws of physics changed.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2140 of 2370 (881112)
08-18-2020 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2137 by Juvenissun
08-18-2020 11:23 AM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
That is normal.
Genesis certainly implies that it was not. Noah was the only one whose family was saved from the flood.
Juvenissun writes:
What's not normal is that Noah lived 950 years.
On the contrary, Adam lived to 930, Seth to 912, Enosh to 905, Kenan to 910, Mahalaleel to 895, Jared to 962, Lamech to 777 and Methuselah to 969. Those ages, if they were true, were perfectly normal.
Edited by ringo, : Added "ly".

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ringo
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Message 2146 of 2370 (881166)
08-18-2020 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2144 by Juvenissun
08-18-2020 3:49 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
See, dwise1 said you are dishonest by saying these incredibly old people are "normal".
No he didn't.
"Normal" at the time, according to the story, was lifespans in the range of 900 years. Noah's age was NOT what distinguished him.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2149 of 2370 (881191)
08-19-2020 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2148 by Juvenissun
08-19-2020 7:16 AM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
So, you should not treat "that" time the same as "this" time.
The only difference mentioned between that time and this time is longevity.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2152 of 2370 (881196)
08-19-2020 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2150 by Juvenissun
08-19-2020 1:02 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
fingo writes:
The only difference mentioned between that time and this time is longevity.
That is more than enough.
It's nowhere near enough to draw any conclusions about the flood.
Juvenissun writes:
It is not a reasonable age in biology.
Indeed not. Which means it is either an oft-repeated error or deliberate fiction. Which reinforces the idea that the flood is also fiction.
It certainly does NOT mean that there was a "different nature" back then.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2158 of 2370 (881227)
08-20-2020 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 2154 by Juvenissun
08-19-2020 9:25 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
OK, if you do think the whole thing is fictional, then why are you still try to "reason" on the global flood?
That's a silly question. How do you think I figured out that it was fiction, unless I reasoned about it?
Juvenissun writes:
Are the arguments on sediments, erosion stuff really meaningful?
Of course they are. We have to look at the evidence to see if the story fits.
Juvenissun writes:
Once you touch the issues about Noah, at your level, you are simply asking for trouble, and can not go forward beyond the first step.
On the contrary, if the story gives a fictional age for Noah, we have to wonder what other parts of the story are fiction.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2191 of 2370 (881395)
08-23-2020 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 2185 by Juvenissun
08-23-2020 8:31 AM


Re: Time scales
Juvennisun writes:
Show your math.
If you do not agree on my idea, why should I do that?
DUH!
You show your math to try to get people to agree with your idea.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2211 of 2370 (881442)
08-24-2020 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2197 by Juvenissun
08-23-2020 5:45 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
No, I will try the math after:
1. you agreed on my idea,
That's really stupid. How would you react if I said I would prove God doesn't exist only after you agree?
Juvenissin writes:
2. you request it.
Why would I request anything from you? So far, you look like you know nothing.
Showing your work is for YOUR benefit, not mine.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2213 of 2370 (881450)
08-24-2020 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2212 by jar
08-24-2020 11:57 AM


Re: Time scales
jar writes:
we now have additional information of the Iraq stone structures called mustatils (rectangles)
Hmm.... They had a preference for geometric figures a long time ago.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2240 of 2370 (881496)
08-24-2020 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2229 by Juvenissun
08-24-2020 5:41 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
ringo writes:
How would you react if I said I would prove God doesn't exist only after you agree?
I would eagerly agree and say: please do that.
That isn't the issue. You wanted me to agree with your idea before you show us the math. That's like you agreeing that God doesn't exist before I show you why. I don't think you're eager to do that.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2244 of 2370 (881501)
08-24-2020 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2242 by Juvenissun
08-24-2020 8:28 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Yes, I would certainly agree with you. Because I WANT to see your proof. If you failed, then I will certainly withdraw my agreement.
That's no way to approach a discussion. Don't pretend to agree with me. That's dishonest. Tell me up front that you disagree with me. Then I'll tell you why you SHOULD agree with me.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 2263 of 2370 (881546)
08-25-2020 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2250 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 9:18 AM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Why is that dishonest?
Pretending to agree when you don't? How can that be anything but dishonest?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 2286 of 2370 (881588)
08-25-2020 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2274 by Juvenissun
08-25-2020 2:43 PM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
I am not going to tell you how granite is made. But only let you know that moon has no granite.
Here's another hint for you: You don't roast a chicken in the fridge.
Edited by ringo, : Stelling.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2288 of 2370 (881590)
08-25-2020 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 2287 by dwise1
08-25-2020 8:24 PM


Re: Time scales
Non-topic sniping hidden. - Adminnemooseus
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Guess.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 2296 of 2370 (881619)
08-26-2020 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2295 by Juvenissun
08-26-2020 10:40 AM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Did I talk to you a lot about granite? You should know that I am not kidding around.
It's hard to tell whether you're kidding around because you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Maybe you could tell us what the composition of the moon has to do with the flood.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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