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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But what you posted is no different than what I posted.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The onus is on you to show why.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I doubt that you will magically understand all of the mysteries of physics after you die. It might make more sense after we die. Edited by ringo, : Pselling."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
We certainly never will no matter how long our species collectively lives.
We may find out that God is not fictional though."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Do you read my posts at all? I said, "I doubt that you will magically understand all of the mysteries of physics after you die." We certainly never will no matter how long our species collectively lives. What part of after you die did you miss? I was responding to your claim that, "It might make more sense after we die." That's your own phrase, "after we die." It has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with what we will learn, "no matter how long our species collectively lives.""I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
But it may have something to do with what we learn after we die. You have no way of measuring that realm.
You doubt that "magic" exists. You are quite certain that God (as described by apologists) does not exist. Yet I am here to tell you that hooking up ten of the worlds most powerful supercomputers in order to quantify the problem would take virtually an infinite number of years, while God could give you the answer the moment after you died. But of course you will say that this is an empty claim and that it is magical fantasy. You bow at the altar of evidence. Evidence can only be verified through human wisdom. And human wisdom is never going to replace God. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That certainly is an empty claim, so why do you waste time with it?
Yet I am here to tell you that hooking up ten of the worlds most powerful supercomputers in order to quantify the problem would take virtually an infinite number of years, while God could give you the answer the moment after you died. Phat writes:
You mock evidence. Shame on you. Remember the story of Thomas. Jesus offered him evidence. He didn't expect Thomas or the other disciples to believe without evidence.
You bow at the altar of evidence. Phat writes:
Human wisdom is all we've got.
Evidence can only be verified through human wisdom. Phat writes:
You have nothing but human wisdom to tell you anything about God. Human wisdom is the ultimate backup. And human wisdom is never going to replace God."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You have nothing but human wisdom to tell you anything about God. Human wisdom is the ultimate backup. When I got saved,it was certainly not due to human wisdom. Human wisdom may seek favorable sources to "verify" an existing belief, but it can also be used as a tool with which to question oneself. Human wisdom is not always a reliable backup. Sometimes human wisdom is a source of confusion."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Sure it was. It was human (apologist) wisdom that told you you needed to be saved and how you could ne saved.
When I got saved,it was certainly not due to human wisdom. Phat writes:
Yes. You surely use it for the first. You should try using it for the second
Human wisdom may seek favorable sources to "verify" an existing belief, but it can also be used as a tool with which to question oneself. Phat writes:
I never said it was reliable. I said it was all we have. And it's certainly more reliable than gods.
Human wisdom is not always a reliable backup. Phat writes:
And sometimes that confusion is created deliberately - e.g by the apologists. Sometimes human wisdom is a source of confusion."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: Time does not exist" is a nonsense statement. WHY??? Is that because you cannot fathom non existence? Example: You go to the corner market and pick up a couple of items. The store owner gives you an extra bag that has 5 apples in it. Apples=5 You don't like apples so as you are walking down the street towards home you see three kids in a yard and you give them an apple apiece. Moments later here come two other kids asking if you have any apples left? Apples=2 You give each an apple bag is empty and as you enter your yard you put the empty bag in the trash can. Apples=0 as far as your apples go as you gave them all away. Thus your apples don't exist any longer. Time=0 time does not exist. Not clear yet? You are driving down a road at a high rate of speed you crash into a semi head on.T=7 seconds until your death. When the 7 seconds are gone your time on earth = zero. That means for you time does not exist. Enjoy,God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Isn’t T=0 effectively the point at which time (and space) come into existence in the Big Bang?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
"Existence" is not a thing. Non-existence is not a thing. Is that because you cannot fathom non existence? T=0 is a point in time. It is not a quantity of time. You can not compare time to apples."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes: The only way either of us can understand this high level cosmology is by having the same level of mathematical understanding as they have - or something close to it. I don't have it and neither do you. Either the universe has existed eternally.OR The universe began to exist. If it began to exist something had to create it whether it was Hawking's instanton, 2 branes hitting each other, God, or something else.
Tangle writes: Hawking published his work you know - Yes and it was on his website until recently when the site was closed down.I have much of his lecturers, but not all. Tangle writes: All I'm doing here is pointing out that you are a liar when you continue to say that Hawking believed in a creator. Hawking invented a creator he called an instanton and made the statement that i"IF" the instanton popped into existence it would create a universe just like the one we live in. Please notice he did say "IF". He believed it did and created this universe in which we live. Since he did not believe the universe was eternal in existence as Edwin Hubble discovered in 1931 the universe was expanding. Due to the laws of thermodynamics the universe had to have a beginning to exist. So if the universe was not created, how did it begin to exist.
Tangle writes: Krauss is as rabid an atheist as I am, does he belive in a creator too? Sure his nothing was relativistic quantum fields. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi ringo,
ringo writes: That certainly is an empty claim, so why do you waste time with it? If there is no God it would be an empty claim as you would just be dead. If there is a God that every knee shall bow to and every tongue confess that He is God, it was no empty claim.
ringo writes: You mock evidence. Shame on you. Remember the story of Thomas. Jesus offered him evidence. He didn't expect Thomas or the other disciples to believe without evidence. But you want me to accept that the universe just 'is'. No evidence presented. The universe exists. I can see part of it that is evidence. The question is how did it begin to exist. Zero scientific evidence. So the only evidence we have is the Bible.
ringo writes: Human wisdom is all we've got. I am not sure about that claim.
ringo writes: You have nothing but human wisdom to tell you anything about God. Human wisdom is the ultimate backup. I know that one is wrong. How many scientific facts would my Bible have to have recorded in it over 2000 years before it was known by science for it to be a reliable book? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: T=0 is a point in time. It is not a quantity of time. You can not compare time to apples. Why not? You start with 5 apples and give all 5 apples away.To start you have 5 apples after you give 5 apples away you have zero apples. T=0 You start with no time and you end up with no time. You don't even gain 1 quadrillionth of a nanosecond. T=0 is not a point in time. It is a point where time does not exists."John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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