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ICANT
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Message 415 of 432 (880550)
08-07-2020 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by Phat
08-07-2020 10:00 AM


Re: Re evidence
Good morning Phat,
Phat writes:
I agree that traditional science is far from conclusive although they do have a method to their tests.
A method and a bunch of hypothesis and so called theories is not science. They are the thoughts and beliefs of mankind which is controlled by the individuals lifestyle, and beliefs.
To be scientific requires that an event be able to be reproduced under laboratory conditions.
Anything else has to be accepted by faith which scientist say they do not have. They don't have any empirical evidence either.
Phat writes:
I am a Cosmological Creationist and believe that God created the heavens
Could you explain to me what a Cosmological Creationist is?
Everybody is a Creationist. The Bible actually says God created the Universe and everything in it.
Science say we don't know what, how, or from what the Universe and everything in it was created. But the Universe can not have existed eternally in the past as the according to the second law of thermodynamics it would have reached thermodynamic equilibrium long ago and would be a cold frozen universe.
When your theory does not agree with the second law of thermodynamics your theory is in trouble. So the universe and everything in it has to have a beginning to exist.
Phat writes:
My only issue in the science side of the forum is the comparison and contrast of what specifically constitutes evidence and theory.
I just gave the second law of thermodynamics which declares that the universe could not have existed eternally in the past.
Yet the first law of thermodynamics states: The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.
Logically the universe could not have existed eternally in the past.
Yet it has to have existed eternally in the past in some form as energy and matter can not be created.
Science has no answer to this problem so they just shelve it and pretend it does not exist.
Phat writes:
It is another to present a counter-argument, which I fail to see many creationists do.
But who is allowed to present any kind of counter-argument to the one held by most posters here?
Anyone presenting anything other than the standard pack of lies is ridiculed and told how they are stupid and do not know what they are talking about and they have no evidence because their evidence is based on a book of myths and their faith.
I have presented evidence in this post that requires a God to exist. I will restate it for clarity.
Fact one. The universe can not have existed eternally in the past. Second law of thermodynamics. "Reaches thermodynamic equilibrium."
Fact two. The universe has to have existed eternally in the past. The first law of thermodynamics. "Energy and matter can not be created or destroyed."
Fact three. The universe does exist. "WHY"?
Phat I will go back to our debate and present the Genesis account of creation.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 427 of 432 (880607)
08-08-2020 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 418 by FLRW
08-07-2020 3:14 PM


Re: Re evidence
Hi FLRW,
FLRW writes:
There is no violation of the first law of thermodynamics if the universe is not a closed system.
Are you saying the Standard Theory is wrong?
I will use your word "if".
If the universe began as a small pin point and expanded in every direction from that pin point the universe would be circular with no thing outside.
FLRW writes:
If the universe came from something else (if, for instance, it started as a region of spacetime pinching off from a black hole in another spacetime, as proposed by Smolin 1997) then there still would be no conflict with the first law of thermodynamics,
If you have a hypothesis about how this black hole could exist and about another spacetime, I would love to hear it.
FLRW writes:
because on such a scenario the universe was not always a closed system, and would have inherited its initial energy from whatever it came from.
Do you know of such a hypothesis?
FLRW writes:
and would have inherited its initial energy from whatever it came from.
And where whatever that was got its initial energy from????
The first law says you can not create or destroy energy. You can change its form and every time you do part of that energy becomes unusable. That is the second law.
According to those laws the only way the universe can exist is that a very powerful, all knowing, endless source of power, is in control.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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