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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
It isn't about ignoring his record. It's about comparing his record to Trump's. And Trump has a record AS PRESIDENT too. We don't know what effect Biden's flaws would have on his presidency. We DO know what effect Trump's flaws HAVE HAD on his presidency and likely WOULD HAVE on a second term. With Biden, at least we know he is capable of changing. Of course this article is overall quite favorable to Vice President Biden, so he may be able to persuade voters to ignore his record."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 898 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You don't think writing (EvC Forum: Biden Our Time: All things Joe Biden)
quote:might be a bit off-putting?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 898 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
So your argument is that Vice President Biden said a bunch of stuff in the past but now he's changed his mind and will do something different and that's why we should vote for him?
You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking." Wouldn't you?
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
To many of the people who read my posts, that would be pretty mild. Anybody who is off-put by it was probably going to vote for Trump anyway. You don't think writing
quote:might be a bit off-putting? You sound like the fat man who's offended when people notice that he's fat."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
No. My argument is that you should vote for him because he isn't Trump.
So your argument is that Vice President Biden said a bunch of stuff in the past but now he's changed his mind and will do something different and that's why we should vote for him? Sarah Bellum writes:
But we don't know that Trump can change. We're pretty sure he can't. You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking.""I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Sarah Bellum, addressing ringo writes: I was with some of my Charismaniac Christian friends last night. Lots of them believe that Trump was prophesied to get a second term. They claim that the prophecy essentially says that Trump"whispers the name of Jesus" in his first term and will end up "shouting the name of Jesus" in his second term. You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking." Wouldn't you? The main reason that "they" don't like Biden is because they essentially see the entire Leftist platform as being secular humanist, atheist, unrealistic(as in "where will the money come from?) and probably quite simply due to the fact that Biden will support Palestine as much as Israel, if not more. I really dont know what he thinks about abortion, but that will figure in big too. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Phat writes:
nOK I'll go with that. I look at money as a giant game of musical chairs. The music needs to keep playing in order for the money to have value for everyone. If the music stops, only the top quadrents will have anything worth saving..(real estate, material goods, gold, and perhaps armed security which they will have to pay)
First of all, it makes little sense to fund future stimulus checks by raising taxes. We pay out as much or more than we would recoup through a stimulus check.Phat writes:
Second of all, those of us who are ourselves in the next to lowest quadrant of economic earnings dont have room to pay higher taxes.ringo writes: We have had this argument before. Your inner socialist knows that he cant get money out of the proliteriat any more than blood out of a turnip so he wants the rest of us to become comrades.
Tell it to those of us in the lowest quadrant. Phat writes:
And i'm here to tell you right now that at least in my case I barely have $3,000.00 a year left over after paying all my bills and usually that too gets used.ringo writes: And if Biden gets in, likely so will I. Why should I become a fellow comrade?
So you could pay extra taxes on that $3,000. I have to spend everything I make. Phat writes:
Were they to take that profit for increased taxes, I would actually fare worse.ringo writes: I know. I see it every day. The next 6 months will be tough. I've already whined about the stealing going on at my store. I prayed about it and God basically told me to pray for them(the thieves) and to not try and be an authoritarian cop. Unless I wanted to be an armed security guard working for some rich guy.
Some people already do fare worse. Phat writes:
The point is that increasing taxes is not going to cover the needs that the masses require....ringo writes: Because the masses are not doing so well right now. Why the heck should I be poor just because the comrades want me to join them? This whole global game of money sucks. We all need Jesus. The humanist kum-ba-yah crowd wont make a better world in and of themselves. Everyone will simply be forced to join together in some weird societal communion that has no head. A headless beast. I don't know why you're so desperate to hoist yourself above the masses."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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jar Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Because the masses are not doing so well right now. Why the heck should I be poor just because the comrades want me to join them? This whole global game of money sucks. We all need Jesus. The humanist kum-ba-yah crowd wont make a better world in and of themselves. Everyone will simply be forced to join together in some weird societal communion that has no head. A headless beast. Please provide the evidence to show anyone needs Jesus or that Jesus ever did anything for anyone.
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Phat Member Posts: 18694 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
jar writes:
You should be ashamed to call yourself a believer. You don't have a clue. And thats sad. Please provide the evidence to show anyone needs Jesus or that Jesus ever did anything for anyone."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.- Criss Jami, Killosophy
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As long as the top quadrants buy stuff, they'll be paying people to make stuff, take orders for stuff, deliver stuff and yes, guard stuff. The money never stops moving.
If the music stops, only the top quadrents will have anything worth saving..(real estate, material goods, gold, and perhaps armed security which they will have to pay) Phat writes:
Nonsense. Everybody pays taxes.
Your inner socialist knows that he cant get money out of the proliteriat any more than blood out of a turnip so he wants the rest of us to become comrades. Phat writes:
Why not?
Why should I become a fellow comrade?quote: Phat writes:
The comrades won't make you poor. It's the rich who will do that, the anti-comrades.
Why the heck should I be poor just because the comrades want me to join them? Phat writes:
We already have.
The humanist kum-ba-yah crowd wont make a better world in and of themselves. Phat writes:
Yes, that's what Jesus taught. Everyone will simply be forced to join together in some weird societal communion..."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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jar Member (Idle past 141 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: jar writes:
You should be ashamed to call yourself a believer. You don't have a clue. And thats sad. Please provide the evidence to show anyone needs Jesus or that Jesus ever did anything for anyone. And once again instead of presenting any evidence or even any reasoned argument you just get your panties in a wad and stomp your foot.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1542 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
i have never loathed a politician as much as I loathe joe b.
well if bernie was the nominee, thank god he isn't. the universe must be balancing itself out\ we found the seediest guy in the world to do god's bidding now you guys have this punchable paul newman whitetoothed lookalike newmans own, obama owned, idiot. thanks obama.
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ringo Member (Idle past 714 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
a Servant of Christ writes:
God is loathe. i have never loathed a politician as much as I loathe joe b."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 898 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
On the other hand, of course, going up to someone like, say, Representative Jerry Nadler, and saying, "Hey, you're fat!" (even though I suspect he knows he is) would indeed be insulting, and wouldn't help to persuade him to your point of view.
I do like the "probably" in your post, though. Does that mean you think I might vote for Vice President Biden, but you think yourself incapable of persuading me, so you stick to nice, comfortable insults?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 898 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Sigh.
The last few elections haven't been very inspiring, have they? With the dominant slogan of, "Vote for Schmuck B, just because she (or he) isn't Schmuck A."
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