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dad
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Message 1471 of 1498 (879648)
07-19-2020 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1470 by JonF
07-19-2020 12:50 PM


Dates are based and correlated on belief
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I said "throughout the sequence". Which means from samples before and after 5,000 years.
You know that carbon samples were taken specifically beyond 5000 deep in a living tree, how? Citation exactly where the areas samples were taken from? The 'dating' of dead trees are not the topic here for you claim of nature being the same. I am not interested in statements of faith.
The issue is not how dates are attained using a belief in a same nature in the past. The issue is how you claim that carbon samples in trees with more rings than would be possible if the traditional estimates of when the flood happened exist in the specific area of 5000 plus deep tree rings on a living tree.
If you can't do that, fine. We might move on to looking at specs in sequences from dead trees.
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If there was no (or different) decay at the time the Universe would have been so fundamentally different that life as we know it would be impossible
I see nothing in the universe that suggests this. I suspect what you are thinking may be that the far universe is dated at billions of years old. Therefore you may think that seeing light from out there represents a sameness? That would not work either. We do not know, and that means science does not know what time itself or space itself are like in the far universe. This means that no distances to any star or any sizes, or travel times from stars are knowable. The only way you attach travel TIME and distances is based on believing that space and time are the same as we observe it here near earth. This also means that all TIMES of decay we observe anywhere out there beyond this solar system area are seen IN our time and space here. That could not be taken to represent decay times out there. We see the light only after it gets here.
Your dates are faith based.

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dad
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Message 1473 of 1498 (879699)
07-20-2020 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1472 by AZPaul3
07-20-2020 8:12 AM


Re: Dates are based and correlated on belief
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The only thing that matters is the consensus of the scientific community
What actually matters is the evidence.
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We have seen enough evidence in this universe from the hyperfine structure..
The energy level of atoms is only seen here. The magnetic moment is seen here. The magnetic field is seen here. The angular momentum is observed here. The conversion laws have only been tested and observed here. Velocity is a function of time also.
"The velocity of an object is the rate of change of its position with respect to a frame of reference, and is a function of time." wiki
Sp looking things here does not tell us about time and the nature of time and space out in the universe. The3refore, there is no possible correlation.

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dad
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Message 1476 of 1498 (879791)
07-22-2020 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1475 by AZPaul3
07-20-2020 3:58 PM


Re: Dates are based and correlated on belief
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Do you know what a 21 cm spectral line looks like from a billion light years away? We do.
Do you know how to use this H I line to chart the movement of the spiral arms of our galaxy and other galaxies? We do.
Do you know how to use the gamma rays of quasar emissions to calculate the magnetic moment and thus the magnetic strength of the black hole's accretion disk thus its spin mass and charge? We do.
Unless time is the same what you thought was a billion ly could be a few light months away. Whatever you chart is of unknown distance. Magnetic moments are here. Right here. You have not gone out there. None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the nature of time and space in the far universe, so it cannot be used for correlations of age. Nothing to do with age correlations.

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dad
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Message 1477 of 1498 (879792)
07-22-2020 3:44 PM
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07-20-2020 3:53 PM


Re: Dates are based and correlated on belief
The issue is how what you call silly scientists calculate and arrive at ages, not what you read.

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dad
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Message 1479 of 1498 (879846)
07-23-2020 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1478 by AZPaul3
07-22-2020 8:30 PM


stop the denial
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We know how to chart out to many billions of light years
No you do not, you can stay in denial all you like. The distances require and depend on time and space being the same all the way.
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Their information comes here in the form of their effects on the EM spectrum. Their values come here to us
Yes it does, it comes right here to our time and our space. Nothing in the spectrum tells us what the nature of time in the far universe is. If you comprehend what you are trying to talk about show us how you think it does exactly.
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It shows your "other" nature, your altered laws of physics, are...
Complete strawman bogus argument. The laws out there are not under discussion. Time is. Space it. Not laws. The only place nature and laws come into the discussion are on earth in the far past. Focus.

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