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Message 1408 of 1498 (879093)
07-11-2020 10:14 AM
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07-11-2020 3:29 AM


This current dad loony isn't going to produce anything, why are we still feeding him?

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Message 1415 of 1498 (879186)
07-12-2020 5:19 PM
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07-12-2020 2:19 PM


Re: missing rings
You seek to use that passing and nature of time as the standard to model all the universe on.
All time is relative, everywhere in the universe, and the operations of relativity are invariant regardless of frame of reference anywhere in the universe. And this is known to be true because we are not stupid and can measure with extreme precision the frequencies, polarization and phases of light from billions of light years across the universe from every direction we look.

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Message 1417 of 1498 (879220)
07-13-2020 3:47 AM
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07-13-2020 1:33 AM


Re: Realativity is relative
You cannot speak about what time is like in the unknown deep universe you have no way to measure or see it.
You are ignorant of the vast wealth of information in waves of EM energy. So much of the universe is revealed to us in that information.
You have closed your eyes and your mind to the science of light spectra, frequency, polarization, modulation and quantum electrodynamics.
We KNOW deep time. We DO measure it to one part in billions and we see it clearly in the vast reaches throughout the universe despite your religious denials.
Things like gravitational waves do not tell us that. The waves are detected here in our spacetime and we see the ripples here.
Your knowledge of LIGO/Virgo is old and primitive. All three detectors have undergone massive upgrades since your cited article and are undergoing yet further upgrades this year. We have seen and analysed not three but, now, multiple dozens of signals.
Both EM energy and gravitational wave energy are much more complex than you can possibly understand. The wealth of information in the waves is beyond your limited comprehension. We know how these things work both here and, despite your religious proclivities and desires, there from where they emanate.
Those gravity waves that squeeze the arms of the detectors here on Earth traveled many billions of years through the universe. That is the kind of information encoded in the waves themselves and the smart guys know how to tease that information from the sub-modulations we see in the vibrations of the arms.
We only see the waves here because we knew how to build the detectors. Gravitational waves from billions of light years away only vibrate the LIGO arms by the width of a proton.
Why would you think we would see such waves without the most sophisticated and sensitive of detectors? You have no idea what you are talking about and that level of ignorance is dangerous to the species. You cannot be trusted with evidence. You do not know how to handle it and you cannot do science with it. All you can do is misinterpret and screw it up royal as is the penchant of religious zealots.
Your reaching and scratching for some evidence of some "other" nature has led you, again, to reveal your ignorance of the reality we know.
You still have nothing. And for all your trying you will continue to have nothing.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1418 of 1498 (879224)
07-13-2020 4:24 AM
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07-12-2020 2:20 PM


Obviously not to you it doesn't.

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Message 1420 of 1498 (879267)
07-13-2020 7:47 PM
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07-13-2020 2:28 PM


Re: Realativity is relative
Do you have some kind of problem with energy reaching here to earth from billions of light years away? Do you have some kind of problem with energy reaching here to earth from billions of light years away with the changes in properties it has accumulated along the way?
Of course you do. It denies the errant religious narrative of some "other" nature that alters time and physical constants to justify the silly majik in your silly religious myths.
You have to deny the reality of human knowledge, which you are unable to comprehend anyway, in order to maintain your religious delusions.
The problem is that since ripples are only detected in the fishbowl here that come from somewhere else, you can really only speak to the way it is here.
The point you don't care to comprehend is that this fishbowl is 96 billion light years in diameter and the ripples that reach us from anywhere and everywhere within that fishbowl, be they EM or gravity waves, carry with them the telltale imprints of their origin and their journey and their time.
Nature is not an issue here. Where nature becomes an issue is here on earth and in the far past.
Liar. For you nature is always the issue. You *need* an altered "other" nature, a totally different set of physical laws, to operate at convenient times in convenient places to affect the environment so to justify your puny god's puny majik in keeping with your puny creation myths. Reality and actual human knowledge destroy that fantasy environment relegating your god to impotence.
You have no choice but to deny fact and evidence, to deny the accumulated scientific knowledge of humanity and the reality this reveals to us, in order to maintain your religious fantasy.
You are a religious troll. You cannot acknowledge, you cannot be trusted with evidence and its conclusions. You are a poison to the intellect of the species.

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I am antifa.

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Message 1422 of 1498 (879287)
07-14-2020 4:21 AM
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07-14-2020 1:19 AM


Re: Realativity is relative
Do you have a problem admitting you do not know?
Yes, because as a matter of fact we *do* know what spacetime is like between any here and any there in this universe. It is you who needs the ignorance to continue your fantasy.
I refer to the solar system and area as the fishbowl. Man has not been or sent probes further than this.
How truly ignorant you are.
We don't need to send probes out *there* to discover the physics of reality. The universe is sending literally trillions of probes of detailed information here to us. This entire universe is our fishbowl.
You have not looked. You have not studied the science. You do not know the vast amount of information each photon of each EM and gravity wave brings to us. Information on where it came from, how it was generated, the length and path through both space and time it traversed, the composition of all the space and molecular clouds through which it passed and the forces of physics that created and sustain it.
Again, we are not stupid. We know how to read this wealth of information and thus we learn more of the reality of the universe that sent it to us. These messengers from the stars tell us how the universe works and what it is made of. Soon, maybe, it will tell us how it came to be.
The ignorance you say we wallow in is false. The ignorance you wish to foist upon all humanity is rejected.
For science claims about origins of life on earth, nature is the issue. You need it to be the same for your religion.
You are the one who seeks to fake the nature, fiddle the laws of physics and lie to the universe to maintain your religious delusions. You keep yourself and seek to keep us all ignorant of reality because reality defies your fantasies.
Such deception is evil and is condemned by reality.
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Message 1424 of 1498 (879324)
07-14-2020 4:11 PM
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07-14-2020 3:18 PM


Re: Realativity is relative
I don't believe you.
I don't care.
So stop claiming to know it.
I do not "claim" we know physics is/was consistent. There is no other option.

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Message 1427 of 1498 (879362)
07-15-2020 11:17 AM
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07-15-2020 10:00 AM


Re: Options smoptians
We reject your reliance on belief for the discipline of facts, evidence, logic and consistent reasoning.
No matter that everything to you is belief (that is, after all, all that your mind is capable of seeing) science eschews belief, especially your beliefs, because they are childish, undisciplined, self-serving and so often found to be, not just wrong, but dangerously wrong.
Your religion of faith-based belief is rejected. The discipline of science rules all.

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I am antifa.

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Message 1430 of 1498 (879367)
07-15-2020 12:07 PM
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07-15-2020 11:46 AM


Psychopathic Evil Religion
Science can act superior to faith-based belief because it *is* far superior to faith-based belief. You religious philistines had more that 3000 years of rule over the human mind and produced nothing but blood, death and misery.
Three hundred years of science has brought humanity to such greatness of culture and knowledge that now your gods, laying prostrate at our feet in subjugation, are publicly scorned in disgust known for what they are ... non-existent.

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I am antifa.

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Message 1434 of 1498 (879389)
07-15-2020 3:19 PM
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07-15-2020 2:27 PM


Re: Psychopathic Evil Religion
You are obviously not an American. Just like your problem with science you cannot seem to recognize that greatest of American rights, the right to civil disobedience. To call them racist terrorists is your christian Nazi showing thru.

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Message 1436 of 1498 (879401)
07-15-2020 5:18 PM
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07-15-2020 4:38 PM


Re: Red and yellow black and white
The vast majority were peaceful and got assaulted by the gestapo police anyway and then, come to find out, most of the violent damage was done by Reich-wing plants there to cause trouble.
But then your religious bigotry won't allow you to see or acknowledge this.
Right-wing Agitators Are Using The George Floyd Riots To Foment A Race War - Walid Shoebat
Right-wing media claim Black Lives Matter advocates against the family through a Marxist and LGBT agenda | Media Matters for America
Right-Wing ‘Race War’ Wannabes Could Make George Floyd Police Protests Go Nuclear

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Message 1438 of 1498 (879419)
07-16-2020 6:38 AM
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07-16-2020 3:19 AM


Re: Red and yellow black and white
Oh, I agree. But who are the terrorists? The peaceful marchers being gassed and beaten for protesting or the reich-wing thugs carrying guns, throwing bricks and driving their cars into crowds?
One of the historical problems societies have had is reich-wing political and religious leaders labeling political opponents as "terrorists" while they spur on their own followers to greater violence. That is what Trump and his reich-wing media mouthpieces do so effectively.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1444 of 1498 (879448)
07-16-2020 4:18 PM
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07-16-2020 1:16 PM


Re: Red and yellow black and white
You're drinking the reich-wing cool-aide.
You're a FOXNews and OAN junkie aren't you.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1448 of 1498 (879460)
07-16-2020 5:29 PM
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07-16-2020 4:50 PM


Re: Red and yellow black and white
You are a religionist. You believe in ghosts. There is nothing honest about you.

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I am antifa.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1451 of 1498 (879480)
07-16-2020 10:49 PM
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07-16-2020 8:01 PM


Re: Red and yellow black and white
Like the aether, all the scientific evidence indicates they do not exist.
All the scientific evidence indicates they are figments of the delusional mind.
As usual, the scientific community awaits further evidence.
You got any?

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