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PaulK
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Message 151 of 263 (879321)
07-14-2020 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 1:59 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
quote:
Don't do it for me, do it for your fellow fish-to-mammals aficionados.
You’re the one asking for it.
So, let’s see your understanding. Have you worked out why this claim is wrong yet?
The problem with the Markov Chain models given in the Wikipedia link above is that they are assuming the transition matrix is stationary...
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Kleinman
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Message 152 of 263 (879323)
07-14-2020 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by PaulK
07-14-2020 3:36 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Kleinman writes:
Don't do it for me, do it for your fellow fish-to-mammals aficionados.
PaulK writes:
You’re the one asking for it.
So, let’s see your understanding. Have you worked out why this claim is wrong yet?
You claim you understand the Jukes-Cantor model. You are a liar. You can't even tell us what the initial condition for that model is and whether it is a scalar, vector, or matrix. You just blow very stinky smoke. What initial condition will give equilibrium in 1 replication (generation for a nitwit like you)?

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PaulK
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Message 153 of 263 (879325)
07-14-2020 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 3:47 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
quote:
You claim you understand the Jukes-Cantor model. You are a liar. You can't even tell us what the initial condition for that model is and whether it is a scalar, vector, or matrix. You just blow very stinky smoke
You certainly don’t let up on the projection. But you’re the one who claim to be the expert. I just claim that you don’t even know as much as I do.
quote:
What initial condition will give equilibrium in 1 replication (generation for a nitwit like you)?
Does this have anything to do with answering my question? If so you’ll have to explain the relevance. Because if you do understand your error rudely asking questions is a rather odd way to admit it.

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Kleinman
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Message 154 of 263 (879327)
07-14-2020 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by PaulK
07-14-2020 4:12 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Kleinman writes:
You claim you understand the Jukes-Cantor model. You are a liar. You can't even tell us what the initial condition for that model is and whether it is a scalar, vector, or matrix. You just blow very stinky smoke
PaulK writes:
You certainly don’t let up on the projection. But you’re the one who claim to be the expert. I just claim that you don’t even know as much as I do.
I certainly know what the initial condition is for the Jukes-Cantor model and I know whether it is a scalar, vector, or matrix and you don't. You are a very stupid liar.

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PaulK
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Message 155 of 263 (879328)
07-14-2020 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 4:24 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
quote:
I certainly know what the initial condition is for the Jukes-Cantor model and I know whether it is a scalar, vector, or matrix and you don't
But you don’t know what’s wrong with your claim. And you don’t even know why you asked:
What initial condition will give equilibrium in 1 replication (generation for a nitwit like you)?
quote:
You are a very stupid liar.
Do you really think that resorting to abuse will cover up your failures?

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Kleinman
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Message 156 of 263 (879329)
07-14-2020 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by PaulK
07-14-2020 4:33 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Kleinman writes:
I certainly know what the initial condition is for the Jukes-Cantor model and I know whether it is a scalar, vector, or matrix and you don't
PaulK writes:
But you don’t know what’s wrong with your claim.
There is nothing wrong with my claim and all you can do is lie about your claim that you understand the Jukes-Cantor model. You can't even tell us whether the initial condition for the Jukes-Cantor model is a scalar, vector, or matrix. You are a very stupid liar.

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PaulK
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Message 157 of 263 (879330)
07-14-2020 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 4:51 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
quote:
There is nothing wrong with my claim
Then you don’t understand Jukes-Cantor. What’s even worse is that I already explained the problem to you. And you still don’t understand it.
quote:
You are a very stupid liar.
Keep up with the pointless abuse. It just shows what a fraud you are.

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Kleinman
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Message 158 of 263 (879332)
07-14-2020 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by PaulK
07-14-2020 4:59 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Kleinman writes:
There is nothing wrong with my claim
PaulK writes:
Then you don’t understand Jukes-Cantor. What’s even worse is that I already explained the problem to you. And you still don’t understand it.
You don't even know whether the initial condition for the Jukes-Cantor model is a scalar, vector, or matrix. You are a very stupid and harmful liar.

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PaulK
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Message 159 of 263 (879334)
07-14-2020 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 5:14 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Obviously all you can do is throw abuse.
You certainly can’t handle the math.

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Kleinman
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Message 160 of 263 (879338)
07-14-2020 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by PaulK
07-14-2020 5:19 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
PaulK writes:
Obviously all you can do is throw abuse.
You certainly can’t handle the math
Whatever abuse I throw on you is nothing compared to the harm you fish-to-mammals aficionados cause with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. And you should tell the peer-reviewers, editors, publishers, and librarians at the National Library of Medicine where my papers can be found that I can't handle the math. And at least I know whether the initial condition of the Jukes-Cantor model is a scalar, vector, or matrix, you big dummy.

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Message 161 of 263 (879339)
07-14-2020 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Phat
06-30-2020 10:34 AM


Re: 50 Years Behind
Respect for women.
Respect for science.
Understanding that teaching sex education is not encouraging people to have sex.
Understanding birth control reduces abortion.
Health care is for everyone, not just people with good jobs.

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PaulK
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Message 162 of 263 (879343)
07-14-2020 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 6:01 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
quote:
Whatever abuse I throw on you is nothing compared to the harm you fish-to-mammals aficionados cause with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments.
So you tell worse lies. Big deal.
quote:
And you should tell the peer-reviewers, editors, publishers, and librarians at the National Library of Medicine where my papers can be found that I can't handle the math.
That would only be possible if they were your papers. The evidence of this thread - and the others you are participating in here - indicates that you aren’t capable of having written them.
But if you are capable of handling the math, if you aren’t just blowing smoke let’s discuss your corrections to Jukes-Cantor. And the problems you don’t see.
So, describe the form of your model. Do you model the changes to each base as a Markov chain as Jukes Cantor does?

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Kleinman
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Message 163 of 263 (879346)
07-15-2020 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by PaulK
07-14-2020 11:38 PM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Kleinman writes:
Whatever abuse I throw on you is nothing compared to the harm you fish-to-mammals aficionados cause with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments.
PaulK writes:
So you tell worse lies. Big deal.
Now you are so stupid, you think the drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments don't occur by evolution.
Kleinman writes:
And you should tell the peer-reviewers, editors, publishers, and librarians at the National Library of Medicine where my papers can be found that I can't handle the math.
PaulK writes:
That would only be possible if they were your papers. The evidence of this thread - and the others you are participating in here - indicates that you aren’t capable of having written them.
Oh really? What evidence you moron? You are the one that doesn't know whether the initial condition for the Jukes-Cantor model is a scalar, vector, or matrix.
PaulK writes:
But if you are capable of handling the math, if you aren’t just blowing smoke let’s discuss your corrections to Jukes-Cantor. And the problems you don’t see.
So, describe the form of your model. Do you model the changes to each base as a Markov chain as Jukes Cantor does?
Earlier in our discussion, you said something that made me think you might get what the correction needs to be in the Jukes-Cantor model so that it would correctly predict the Kishony experiment. Go back and think about what you said, watch the YouTube videos that I gave links to that talk about how to do Markov chain computations, study the Wikipedia page on DNA evolution, in other words, do your own homework you silly jerk.

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PaulK
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Message 164 of 263 (879347)
07-15-2020 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Kleinman
07-15-2020 3:35 AM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
quote:
Now you are so stupid, you think the drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments don't occur by evolution.
No, I just don’t believe your accusation that evolutionary scientists are to blame. An accusation made without evidence.
quote:
Oh really? What evidence you moron?
The catalog of evasions and errors that make up your posting history.
quote:
Earlier in our discussion, you said something that made me think you might get what the correction needs to be in the Jukes-Cantor model so that it would correctly predict the Kishony experiment. Go back and think about what you said, watch the YouTube videos that I gave links to that talk about how to do Markov chain computations, study the Wikipedia page on DNA evolution, in other words, do your own homework you silly jerk.
And look another error and another evasion. You want me to tell you how you decided to fix Jukes-Cantor to make it do something it shouldn’t do. Well I don’t know what you decided to do, because I don’t read minds.

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Kleinman
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Message 165 of 263 (879375)
07-15-2020 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by PaulK
07-15-2020 3:50 AM


Re: Self Serving Beliefs
Kleinman writes:
Now you are so stupid, you think the drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments don't occur by evolution.
PaulK writes:
No, I just don’t believe your accusation that evolutionary scientists are to blame. An accusation made without evidence.
Oh, you mean those evolutionary scientists that can't correctly explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments. The fish-to-mammals aficionados are having a difficult time explaining the simplest evolutionary experiments.

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