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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I don’t think that monism or dualism can be described as worldviews and trintarianism - presumably the belief that there are three substances - probably can’t either.
(E.g. Idealism and Materialism are both forms of monism but I can’t say that they are the same worldview at all)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: No, this makes no sense to me at all.
quote: I don’t think that my views would be fairly classified as either. Some things should be science-centred. Others should be human-centred.
quote: Then it’s likely that Potter is using his own private definitions. And without those we can’t discuss his work.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: Oh they are distinguishable. From a scientistic viewpoint there is nothing wrong with using Mengele’s data. From a humanistic viewpoint that data is tainted by the way Mengele got it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I have to say the idea that the Trinity are three separate Gods is not one that orthodox Christianity accepts. But if they are really only one God isn’t that a form of what Potter calls monism ?
(I wonder how much Potter is influenced by Hindu belief. The Hindu Trimurti is usually presented as three Gods - at least in Western material - even if they are thought to be aspects of one The Christian Trinity is far more explicit about them being one God).
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: Explains is a bit strong. Doubling down on the contradictions of the Trinity is an interesting take but not one I can take seriously.
quote: How about the Trimurti The identification of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva as one being is strongly emphasized in the Krma Pura, wherein 1.6 Brahman is worshipped as Trimurti; 1.9 especially inculcates the unity of the three gods, and 1.26 relates to the same theme I have to say that Potter looks like another apologist with nothing of great value to say.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: But that image is as good a representation as you can get of what Potter is saying - diversity and unity together. The usual Christian view downplays diversity, which is contrary to Potter’s ideas - Potter places diversity on the same level as unity. And a lack of images does nothing to counter that.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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quote: I think that doubling down on the contradiction makes a dubious concept even worse.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
The contradiction should be obvious. You can’t have something that is completely separate and completely unified. Taking it to that level as Potter does is such an obvious contradiction I can’t take it seriously.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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quote: Because they are opposites. It’s like being absolutely identical and completely different.
quote: Which is neither completely separate nor completely unified. I’m not talking about mere aspects of both, but of totality. The family unit is not a hive-mind with a single will, in a single body and never will be. And for any way in which they are unified they are not separate. Those are opposites.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
It’s hard to ask anything about a book I haven’t read.
And if you don’t want to talk about it more I think this topic is a bit of a waste.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
If you think it would be worthwhile to look at them, why not? This is the thread for discussing the book.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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My thoughts.
I don’t think that his circles even do a good job of capturing the underlying beliefs. There is a lot of room for nuance and divergence. And the whole my beliefs are best! implicit in it is - well, probably the point, but it’s rather distasteful at best. The more so unless it’s really rigorously justified with painstaking fairness, and I’m not seeing that. At all. Also, it’s a rather sad commentary on Christianity that acknowledging that non-Christians can do good is even an issue. That it has to be justified with dodgy talking of completeness, to try and say that Christians are still better just shows that the problem is still there. So, I don’t think that they are really good questions. And the answers aren’t that great either. (Well, the second question is worth asking, I guess, but the fact that it is worth asking is a pretty severe indictment of Christianity).
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
I don’t think that my monism is what Potter is talking about at all.
But let’s deal,with the physicalism. In my view mind is supervenient on physical phenomena. There is no spirit at least as a concrete entity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: No, I mean as opposed to abstract.
quote: I would argue that he did not rise. Jesus the man was a concrete entity, but that man is dead, gone and so obscured that historians despair of finding the truth about him.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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quote: No.
quote: Religious claims to exclusive truth are ten-a-penny. At least science is honestly trying to understand reality, rather than to (at best) force fit it to pre-conceived ideas.
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