Catholics are making it up.

I say that is just word salad with absolutely no meaning whatsoever. It's also yet another example of how you compartmentalize your beliefs to avoid having to actually address the inconsistencies and contradictions.It's just another misrepresentation and tap dance to avoid addressing what I posted. Basics Phat, basics.You should not simply trust logic or reason, rather you use them test your beliefs against reality. Logic and reason are but tools to determine that you are actually looking at conforms to reality.What you do is simply trust what the Medicine Men say about the Snake Oil they are selling without ever actually reading the label and ingredients list.

Only you and the Apologists throw the Bible away Phat. That in fact is the Job Description of an Apologist; to make shit up to deny what is actually written in the Bible.And with the Bible, how can you know God? Which God; the one in Genesis 1 or the earlier one in Genesis 2&3 or the evil bastard found in Exodus or the New Testament God that decides it's a great Idea to create then kill his son instead of just forgiving whoever He wants?Tell me how you can know any God including the one you create?

I have Phat and I can see absolutely no way it might be possible while I am still alive.YOU and the Medicine-Men are the ones claiming that it's possible.