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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
On this issue, yes. If you think there is some scientist out there who claims my explanation is incorrect, have them explain why. When I wrote my initial papers on this subject, the editors asked me to write an explanation suitable for a layman to understand, you can read that explanation here: If they are real scientists, why haven't they given the correct mathematical explanation for the Kishony and Lenski evolution experiments?ringo writes: So you know better than every scientist? That smells cranky.Page not found - Stats & Data Science Views At the bottom of the page gives the panel of expert mathematicians who review this work. Geneticists and evolutionary biologists have bungled the mathematics of evolution and I know where they have made their errors. And by their blunders on correctly explaining the mathematics of DNA evolution, they are harming people with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. Their mathematics stinks like a corpse. Kleinman writes:
You can start with that the math I've presented correctly models the Kishony and Lenski experiments. In fact, I published the math for the Kishony experiment before he ran his experiment. You can read the papers here: That's right! But if you do the mathematical modeling correctly, you can predict the behavior of a physical system.ringo writes: Only if the model is based on accurate observations of reality. The mathematics is always secondary.Just a moment... and Just a moment... You can also read the paper which explains why combination therapy works for the treatment of hiv here: Just a moment... Feel free to post any empirical examples of DNA evolution that behave differently than the math I've presented. I'm just finishing another paper that shows the error that population geneticists have made with the application of Markov Chain mathematics and show how to do the mathematics correctly. Your problem is that you don't have either the training or experience to critically analyze evolutionary phenomenon and neither do the so-called scientists you claim are experts on this subject. If they were, they would have long ago explained how drug-resistant microbes evolve and why cancer treatments fail. Lenski has been working on his experiment for over 30 years yet he has never correctly modeled his experiment. You have to go to my paper if you want to see how to mathematically model evolution under his experimental conditions.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So let’s assume you are correct. Let’s assume that evolution - AKA descent of all species on Earth from common ancestry - is mathematically impossible.
What’s your alternate explanation for the existence of mammals and reptiles and insects and birds? How did different species come about? How did different kinds(?) come to be? How does this alternate explanation account for the fact that all known life shares the same genetic code? And how likely is that in terms of your statistical analysis?
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
The answer is simple; Yesterday, upon the stair,I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today, I wish, I wish he'd go away...
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Straggler writes:
That's not my job. I have to deal with problems of evolution, in particular, drug resistant infections. And the present explanation of how evolution works being given to naive school children is incredibly harmful and wasteful.
So let’s assume you are correct. Let’s assume that evolution - AKA descent of all species on Earth from common ancestry - is mathematically impossible.What’s your alternate explanation for the existence of mammals and reptiles and insects and birds? How did different species come about? How did different kinds(?) come to be? How does this alternate explanation account for the fact that all known life shares the same genetic code? And how likely is that in terms of your statistical analysis?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
But you have no alternative explanation for Straggler?
Hmmm.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
And you think that complaining about it here at EvC is going change things for you?
You've published your math and your laments to your community and they didn't care. Why should we?Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Coragyps writes:
It's not my job to give you alternative explanations. If you want to believe in some childish mythology such as reptiles evolving into birds and fish evolving into mammals, go for it. Just don't indoctrinate naive school children with such nonsense. Look what it has done to AZPaul3's mind. He's a walking billboard that social promotion is a complete failure. The best he can do telling us the number of replications for a beneficial mutation to occur is somewhere between 1 and infinity. At least Taq could figure that one out. It make you wonder how much worse our educational system can get.
But you have no alternative explanation for Straggler?Hmmm.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
It make you wonder how much worse our educational system can get. You're making that quite obvious.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 356 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
A precision thought from the mind of AZPaul3, "From a minimum of 1 to an indeterminate maximum." Give AZPaul3 a trophy and advance him one grade.
You're making that quite obvious.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Thank you for the promotion. Now back to the subject at hand.
Message 1491 If your own colleagues don't care what you think what makes you think we should?Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Not my job... What a cop-out.
Meanwhile the job of science teachers is to teach the best evidenced and scientifically accepted explanation for the observable phenomena in question. Are you suggesting that kids should be taught that the existence of birds, mammals, reptiles etc. is a complete scientific mystery with no evidenced explanation? Are you suggesting that all of the geological evidence, fossil evidence and dna evidence pertaining to common ancestry should simply be ignored? Or even be deemed refuted because you’ve got some stats? Really? If not evolution - What is it you are proposing be taught in school with regard to the origin of species? Please do tell.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You've been gone a while, Straggler.
Welcome back.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Why should they waste their time on a crank? Publish a whole flock of papers; convince some real scientists that you're right. That's how science works. If you think there is some scientist out there who claims my explanation is incorrect, have them explain why."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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driewerf Junior Member Posts: 29 Joined:
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quote:Should this "right" to decide be limited to the subject or evolution, or shall we expand it to all sciences? Should people have the "right" to reject heliocentrism? Quantum physics? Decide to accept (or believe) the Phlogiston "theory"? And how would you organize education if half of the class adopts a wide range of "theories"?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8529 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
You're talking a Philosophy of Education and since I choose to not believe in philosophy your question has no meaning.
Well, that was easy. I can see a lot of HS seniors not believing in calculus that final year.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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