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Phat
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Message 256 of 794 (877287)
06-11-2020 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by jar
06-08-2020 3:28 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar writes:
I never even mention anyone getting closer to God. In fact I say that is utterly irrelevant. I say we should simply try to do what we are charged to do. Not to get closer to God but because it is the right thing and what we were told to do. It is our duty.
Who Told Us? Who Initiated The Charge?

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 257 of 794 (877307)
06-11-2020 2:33 PM
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06-11-2020 12:58 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
Who Told Us?
Actually the charge evolved based on human experience but was codified within just about every know religious beliefs and far older that Jesus.
Phat writes:
Who Initiated The Charge?
Humans Phat, humans.

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Phat
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Message 258 of 794 (877316)
06-12-2020 1:20 AM
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06-11-2020 2:33 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
I don't care what Christian "club" you claim membership in. You are a humanist. Christianity is Christ-centric Not Human-Centric. And Christ was at the beginning with God. No religion is "far older" than Him.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 259 of 794 (877318)
06-12-2020 8:13 AM
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06-12-2020 1:20 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
LOL
Phat writes:
I don't care what Christian "club" you claim membership in. You are a humanist. Christianity is Christ-centric Not Human-Centric. And Christ was at the beginning with God. No religion is "far older" than Him.
Phat, I do not claim membership; I am a registered member in a recognized Christian Sect.
Please stop posting silly falsehoods.
Jesus can be discussed because Jesus is a character in Christian mythos. The Bible says that Jesus was conceived by a human mother and that Jesus became man.
I am simply pointing out what is written. The whole concept of the Trinity does not appear in the Bible and where mention of God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit are mentioned they are mentioned as separate and unique identities. It even says that after Jesus ascended he will sit at the right hand of God.
There is no indication of Jesus existing in any of the Old Testament.
Further almost all religions are older than Christianity. Christianity and Islam are the new kids on the block. And the issue we were discussing, the charge to do what is right and try not to do what is wrong is common to almost every religion ever created by man. It is the basics of Buddhism which was taught hundreds of years before Jesus was born. It was taught by Judaism hundred or thousands of years before Jesus was born.
Reality trumps belief and dogma Phat.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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ringo
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Message 260 of 794 (877319)
06-12-2020 10:19 AM
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06-12-2020 1:20 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
You are a humanist.
Every Christian should be a humanist. That's what Jesus taught.
Phat writes:
Christianity is Christ-centric Not Human-Centric.
That's the problem. You're bleating, "Lord! Lord!" instead of listening to what He said.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Phat
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Message 261 of 794 (877320)
06-12-2020 12:07 PM
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06-12-2020 10:19 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
How am I bleating? Scripture clearly tells us that Jesus was in the beginning and that through Him all things were created. This includes all of your precious evidence that exists, every story and idea told by humans through recorded history, every star, planet, and quark (or cat in a fridge) that any science mind ever conceived of.....EVERYTHING. You are free of course not to believe it. But lest you worry about us loons, we are doing what Jesus said to do. What irritates the secular mindset on earth is that we also tell them that Jesus is the only way. They would prefer we shut up, feed people quietly, and keep our beliefs to ourselves.
But surely the rocks would cry out.
Hope that everyone is safe and happy at the Library.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 262 of 794 (877321)
06-12-2020 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by jar
06-12-2020 8:13 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
I am simply pointing out what is written.
Granted. I know you and know that you are not evil. You may be an unwitting tool of the enemy, however.
Do you want to know why?
(or at least my opinion as to why?)

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 263 of 794 (877324)
06-12-2020 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Phat
06-12-2020 12:11 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
You may be an unwitting tool of the enemy, however.
The enemy is the CCoI. The biggest enemy of all peoples these days is much of Christianity.

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ringo
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Message 264 of 794 (877327)
06-12-2020 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Phat
06-12-2020 12:07 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
How am I bleating?
Read what you quoted. You said that Christianity is Christ-centered, not human-centered. That's the bleating of an apologist- trained non-thinker. The only reason He came to earth was because of humans.
Phat writes:
Scripture clearly tells us that Jesus was in the beginning and that through Him all things were created.
That's far from clear. It's just a bumper-sticker that you've been trained to parrot.
Phat writes:
This includes all of your precious evidence that exists....
There is no evidence that Jesus even existed.
Phat writes:
You are free of course not to believe it.
Do you hear yourself? If there was evidence, I would not be free to disregard it.
Phat writes:
But lest you worry about us loons, we are doing what Jesus said to do.
No you're not. You're denying what He said to do.
Phat writes:
What irritates the secular mindset on earth is that we also tell them that Jesus is the only way.
No. What annoys me is that you ignore the refutation of that claim and keep repeating it as if it made sense.
Phat writes:
They would prefer we shut up...
Far from it. I wish you would answer your posts.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Phat
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Message 265 of 794 (877331)
06-13-2020 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by jar
06-12-2020 3:39 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar writes:
The biggest enemy of all peoples these days is much of Christianity.
If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Tangle
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Message 266 of 794 (877334)
06-13-2020 4:35 AM
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06-13-2020 3:27 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.
Can you explain why American Christians vote for and still support Trump, the very image of the AntiChrist?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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jar
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Message 267 of 794 (877337)
06-13-2020 7:44 AM
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06-13-2020 3:27 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.
Much of US Christianity, all of the Apologists and all of the CCoI are tools of the Antichrist.
See how easy that is?
Think phat, really try it. You might like it.

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Phat
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Message 268 of 794 (877341)
06-13-2020 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by jar
06-13-2020 7:44 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
jar writes:
Much of US Christianity, all of the Apologists and all of the CCoI are tools of the Antichrist.
Lets examine your claim. First, lets define who these three groups that you mention are.
1) Much of U.S. Christianity(Christians, I am assuming). This is supported by scripture. You, ringo, and myself can agree that most Christians just dont get it...or they get it but don't do it. You would go even further than I would, however, and claim that "doing it" can be done by anyone. We three have discussed this before at Message 298 note the replies after my comments. I disagree with your idea that feeding and clothing people is enough...but I can accept the idea that Jesus commands us to do this. I can also accept your belief that some will unknowingly do this because it is the right thing to do. They may not even know God or believe in Him, but they are doing what Jesus commanded. My point still stands, however. If Heaven exists, it won't simply be a giant all-inclusive social club where one could waltz in the door smoking a cigarette. You two are free to challenge my belief.
2) ALL Of The Apologists. Why? Just because you disagree with the message that Accepting Christ and becoming transformed by the renewing of your mind is nothing more than a sales pitch in no way proves that it is. Pastor Isaiah Saldivar preached a good sermon on the state of the church in the U.S. recently and I agreed with it. Likely few if any of you will bother listening to it. Our worldviews are mile apart.
We Are Making God Sick.
I don't agree with your all-inclusive religion...I think it is heading towards a globalist consensus which I feel will be the wrong approach for humanity. You are also free to disagree and challenge my beliefs, and it appears that our positions are dead set against each other.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 269 of 794 (877345)
06-13-2020 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
06-13-2020 3:27 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.
The invention of this antichrist and his global ambitions which you are determined to spill so much blood over is one strong reason your christianity is such a danger to our species. Your little cult gets to determine who/what this antichrist is. You are so determined to make war against it based solely on your emotional reactions to a situation.
Each cult in your religion chooses its own antichrist as a target for global war other religions, other political systems, other societies, other christian cults. The whole body of christendom ends up seeing the antichrist everywhere, hating and making war on everyone. You suffer the same bloodlust disease of superiority that islam does that all religions do.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 270 of 794 (877349)
06-13-2020 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Phat
06-13-2020 10:52 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
My point still stands, however. If Heaven exists, it won't simply be a giant all-inclusive social club where one could waltz in the door smoking a cigarette.
Your point does NOT stand. You have never even tried to make the point. You just keep making the same old same old empty assertion that you can't back up.
Phat writes:
I don't agree with your all-inclusive religion...
But Jesus did:
quote:
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
The World. Not parts of the world selected by Phat.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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