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jar
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Message 166 of 794 (876584)
05-23-2020 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Phat
05-23-2020 10:36 AM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
I am expecting jars quick reply to be "What does this rambling diatribe have to do with the topic?" to which I will reply that it really doesnt...its all about Phat, baby.
And Phat's fantasies.
You object to me using the term "fantasy" and so the reasonable response would be to present some evidence or at least reasoning for your objection.
Phat writes:
I know exactly what it is that I have experienced and I have an inner peace and confirmation when I pray that confirms my communion with God individually at least. To attempt to explain it or teach it corporately is another matter. In fact, I think I have stopped teaching it among people I know here in town and rather showing it through my actions and personality. As for you guys at the Forum, I struggle to make my points and frame the issue. Sometimes I think I waste too much time her, but our arguments serve a purpose in that they challenge my beliefs and allow me to think outside the apologetic box. Not that I feel comfortable doing that. You say I refuse to learn. I say that I disagree with what you teach or what I perceive as your teaching.
You admit that you cannot support or explain or rationalize how you can know "... know exactly what it is that I have experienced and I have an inner peace and confirmation when I pray that confirms my communion with God individually at least." and yet your only statement is once again "I say that I disagree with what you teach or what I perceive as your teaching.", once again without any reasoning, rationalization or supporting arguments.
How does inner peace provide any confirmation of any external communion?
Phat writes:
What gets me about the EvC arguments is the claim that God is simply a character in a book and that the book is (or was) authored,edited, redacted and taught by men and men alone.
Why does that bother you?
Is there any evidence at all that any God(s) or god(s) are not simply characters in a book or story and totally the product of human minds?
Is there any evidence that all God(s) or god(s) are simply characters in a book or story and totally the product of human minds?
I'll try to address the latter question and look forward to your response to the former question.
Almost every single god or God we can possibly name exists only because we have a written or oral record that contains description of the character and nature of that god or God. Most are pretty specific and consistent. The various Gods mentioned in Vedas and other Hindu scripture each have specific defining characteristics and recognizable forms. The same is true of the Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse, Native American, Taoist, Buddhist religious deities and spirits.
But they all are mutually exclusive (with the possible exception of the Greek/Roman pantheon) and most everyone outside the particular religion readily acknowledges that all the others are simply human creations.
The outlier are the Hebraic religions. There we find no uniformity in the descriptions or characteristics of the God(s) and god(s) contained in the stories. In fact we find mutually exclusive descriptions of the character called God throughout the writings.
In addition, as seen here at EvC even those who profess to be Christians cannot arrive at an adequate and acceptable description of the Christian God that can be supported by what is written in the stories without excluding almost all of the other aspects and characteristics found in the Bible stories.
The only way to allow the God of Genesis 1 and the God of Genesis 2&3 to be the same critter is to acknowledge that each description is the God as seen or imagined by one group of people at one time in history. In other words, the two Gods are each the creation of some author or authors within a particular mythos.
Based on the facts outlined above it is reasonable to say that all God(s) or god(s) are simply characters in a book or story and totally the product of human minds.
There may well be some GOD (I happen to believe there is) but it is not any of the God(s) or god(s) we can read about, write about or even discuss.
The other big issue again revolves around communion.
You say I try to limit God but as I have pointed out, my issue is not about what some God can or cannot do but what some human can or cannot do. If you claim that God is capable of communing with a human than the question is, how do the human do that? What does that God change in a human that enables communion?
Once that can be answered we can move on to "why do it do that only sometimes and do that in a way that is not uniform and does not even seem to connect to the same god?"
Remember that for every Christian the Communes with some Christian God a Hindu communes with some Hindu God and a Greek communed with some Greek God and an Egyptian communed with some Egyptian God and a Muslim communed with Allah and ...
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Message 167 of 794 (876586)
05-23-2020 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by jar
05-23-2020 11:51 AM


Re: JarThink
jar writes:
Is there any evidence at all that any God(s) or god(s) are not simply characters in a book or story and totally the product of human minds?
Objectively? No. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the definition of objective evidence to be a point that can be reasonably established as fact(even tentatively) and available for all to examine. The evidence is a merely individual belief.
The Brothers Hitchens have a lively debate with the audience in which some of our arguments at EvC are replicated.
jar writes:
Is there any evidence that all God(s) or god(s) are simply characters in a book or story and totally the product of human minds?
I know you dont like it and even go so far as to mock it, but yes, I do have the audacity and hubris to proclaim that my God is unique among the many gods of literature.
jar writes:
The only way to allow the God of Genesis 1 and the God of Genesis 2&3 to be the same critter is to acknowledge that each description is the God as seen or imagined by one group of people at one time in history. In other words, the two Gods are each the creation of some author or authors within a particular mythos.
I would aargue that any descriptions of God and Jesus are creations based on experience. In fact, I would assert that I dont create God so much as I recreate Him whenever I attempt to define His characteristics. Whats crazy is that I believe that He exists and understands this as the only real way humans can reperesent Him...which is by our behavior. Thus, we agree somewhat.
jar writes:
n addition, as seen here at EvC even those who profess to be Christians cannot arrive at an adequate and acceptable description of the Christian God that can be supported by what is written in the stories without excluding almost all of the other aspects and characteristics found in the Bible stories.
That's because we have each had different experiences. Any creation (or recreation) is based on experience, even if the individual claims it is or was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
jar writes:
There may well be some GOD (I happen to believe there is) but it is not any of the God(s) or god(s) we can read about, write about or even discuss.
I would argue that as Christians we are to narrow our focus to be on Jesus Christ as God. God is unknowable otherwise.
jar writes:
Remember that for every Christian the Communes with some Christian God a Hindu communes with some Hindu God and a Greek communed with some Greek God and an Egyptian communed with some Egyptian God and a Muslim communed with Allah and ...
And Jesus, through whom the world was created, is present in every instance....judging the thoughts and intentions of the human heart.(behavior, perhaps?)
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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 168 of 794 (876590)
05-23-2020 12:53 PM
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05-23-2020 12:11 PM


Re: JarThink
Matthew, Mark, and Luke never come close to calling Jesus a creator of worlds.
There were religions that had human females incarnated by the Avatar of an important high God, at times creators. There was also posession of people by Avatar spirits.
The Hebrew Gospel of Matthew and Greek Mark had Holy Spirit posession.
The son of man was what Jesus called himself, but what did that mean.
Go back to the earlier stratum. Then try to figure out what the adoptionist Christology was all about.
We don't know how the development went exactly because we don't know what influenced the views of the communities that eventually wrote non extant documents that preceded the exsting Gospels we have today.
We do, however, know that the virgin birth was late stuff. So any sincere person, who wants to KNOW JESUS , absolutely must reject the virgin birth . The Hebrew Christians resolutely rejected that late development.
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Phat
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Message 169 of 794 (876591)
05-23-2020 1:00 PM
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05-23-2020 12:53 PM


Re: JarThink
I think that you don't understand the supernatural realm. Jesus is God. Human History has always been against this fact because the world belongs to the other spirits. But Jesus came to provide a final answer. It's not that I don't respect your intelligence so much as I think it shackles you.
Matthew, Mark, and Luke never come close to calling Jesus a creator of worlds.
Perhaps. I will have to study them again and reach my own conclusions. It depends on the authors and the source of their inspiration and the motive behind the teaching.
Perhaps the question we should ask is whether or not the writer of the Gospel of John understood the supernatural realm and if he did whether he was seduced by ulterior motives or whether the message was inspired through the One Spirit that created all things seen and unseen.
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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 170 of 794 (876593)
05-23-2020 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Phat
05-23-2020 12:11 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
I know you dont like it and even go so far as to mock it, but yes, I do have the audacity and hubris to proclaim that my God is unique among the many gods of literature.
But once again, that assertion has nothing to do with the question it is supposed to address which was ...
quote:
Is there any evidence that all God(s) or god(s) are simply characters in a book or story and totally the product of human minds?
Phat writes:
I would argue that as Christians we are to narrow our focus to be on Jesus Christ as God. God is unknowable otherwise.
Yet Jesus Christ is only knowable as a character in stories written by humans.
Phat writes:
And Jesus, through whom the world was created, is present in every instance....judging the thoughts and intentions of the human heart.(behavior, perhaps?)
And then once again you wander off into word salad. What does "Jesus ... is present in every instance"even mean?
What does "...judging the thoughts and intentions of the human heart." even mean?
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Phat
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Message 171 of 794 (876600)
05-23-2020 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by jar
05-23-2020 1:16 PM


Re: JarThink
jar writes:
What does "Jesus ... is present in every instance"even mean?
What does "...judging the thoughts and intentions of the human heart." even mean?
what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.) Care to argue that? It all does boil down to observable behavior anyway, so essentially I can't really refute your position regarding behavior.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 172 of 794 (876601)
05-23-2020 4:41 PM
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05-23-2020 4:30 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
jar writes:
What does "Jesus ... is present in every instance"even mean?
What does "...judging the thoughts and intentions of the human heart." even mean?
what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.) Care to argue that? It all does boil down to observable behavior anyway, so essentially I can't really refute your position regarding behavior.
Back to word salad and tap dancing.
You claim that the Holy Spirit is in communion with us (not all of us) yet don't explain what the hell that means or how anyone could know if they are among those who are (Not all of us).
It's impossible to argue something that has absolutely no meaning.

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Message 173 of 794 (876602)
05-23-2020 4:42 PM
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05-23-2020 4:30 PM


Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
what it means is that the Holy Spirit is in Communion with us.( Not all of us.
You've never thought through the implications of that 'not all of us' bit have you?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 174 of 794 (876621)
05-24-2020 11:39 AM
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05-23-2020 4:42 PM


Re: JarThink
Tangle writes:
You've never thought through the implications of that 'not all of us' bit have you?
Actually I have. You are not dead yet, Tangle. Let me make a case using scriptures.
I predict beforehand that the podcasts which I will now share with the EvC peanut gallery will be mocked and ridiculed. I found a prophetic apologist which I trust in Spirit, though he is no better than you or I as a human. He is not superhuman or infallible, though he sticks to his guns when defending the way that scripture and prophecy are interpreted. I'm not going to make those arguments concerning the last day's prophecies and the future of humanity, though I want to present it as what is, in my opinion, likely the best voices for what end-time believers actually think. I have two individuals, both of whom I admit are nonprofit organizations. As I said before, I expect them to be mocked and ridiculed but I hope that you will listen to them and judge their character yourselves.
1) Amir Tsarfati---one of his recent podcasts.
2) John Warner Wallace--Why Moses' Version of the Flood is the Most Reliable Ancient Account. Though I have never claimed to be a Biblical Creationist I do claim to be a Cosmological Creationist. Wallace makes a rational case. He makes a case of why the Bible describes events differently than other religions.
jar will likely label him a carny huckster, but I invite you to draw your own conclusions.
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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 175 of 794 (876630)
05-24-2020 2:32 PM
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05-24-2020 11:39 AM


Why Moses' Version of the Flood is the Most Reliable Ancient Account.
That subtitle is clickbait by the way! Just so EvC understands (somewhat) my thinking processes and why I'm not simply a sheeple(Buzzsaws famous term) waiting to get fleeced by the "apologists" I want to clarify that I have never seen the Bible as word for word literal as did Faith. I respected jars argument regarding the unlikeliness of the global flood (the times square at midnite argument regarding the absence of clear signs which would occur in the fossil record) and I always thought of Faith as unreasonable stubborn and somewhat ignorant in that she brushed off science as if the whole concept itself was a strong delusion sent by God Himself.
She focused on Biblical Creationism while I focused on Jesus as unique among other gods.
It was the same with the End Times Theology. Granted when I first got saved in 1993, my whole world view changed not so much due to the dogma and propaganda of the religious teachings
but due to the experiences regarding perception and awareness of the living reality that is and was Jesus Christ. I have behaved distantly (and humanly) from this obsessive feeling and awareness from time to time, yet I have never thrown it away. It is too valuable for me..so much as that I saw some confirmations that reinforced my beliefs. (The supernatural experience was a big one)
Granted if I am honest with myself I can also say that I have seen a lot of deception in organized religion and that led me to take a more balanced approach to these discussions. (Perhaps that was what jar meant when he urged me to throw God away.)
Thus, as I present these videos to you guys, I am in no way suggesting that you change your minds. I am only giving you some of the best examples of people whom the believers might be inclined to trust. I have one more that I want you to watch. Isaiah Saldivar is a young Pastor/evangelist who got radically saved and transformed back in 2012 and who now does a lot of evangelizing on the internet. (through podcasts) I trust his honesty. You likely won't, but that's ok. We can agree to disagree.
Feel free to challenge what he says and to challenge his honesty and integrity. I know of him and my Pastor knows him personally. He himself will perhaps see your feedback at some point.
Watch this video of one of his podcasts. The actual podcast starts at around the 5-minute mark.....note the countdown timer. Listen in at around the 20-minute mark for a couple of minutes and you will get a feel for what he is preaching.
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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 176 of 794 (876632)
05-24-2020 2:39 PM
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Re: Why Moses' Version of the Flood is the Most Reliable Ancient Account.
So, where can we find Moses’ account? We have nothing verifiably written by Moses. We can’t even be certain that Moses was even based on a historical figure.
And really, what’s the argument for accuracy? Is it all theology? Concordism - trying to read the Bible in a way that fits the facts? Or the usual YEC nonsense?
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Message 177 of 794 (876639)
05-24-2020 3:44 PM
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05-24-2020 11:39 AM


Re: JarThink
I'm not particularly interested in what those egits say, I'm interested in what you say. What do you say?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 178 of 794 (876658)
05-25-2020 8:20 AM
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Re: JarThink
Tangle writes:
I'm not particularly interested in what those egits say, I'm interested in what you say. What do you say?
I believe that God wants all of us to be saved but that we either agree to it or fight it. I don't share the belief that any God worth their salt would simply save all of us and transport us directly to heaven. I believe that while it can be shown that the characters in the book are limited to the book, the book itself contains the eternal truth which is beyond time. This truth is Jesus Christ.
Tangle writes:
You've never thought through the implications of that 'not all of us' bit have you?
I'm just reporting what is commonly believed and supported.
The God whom I know may say that many are called and few are chosen, but there are no set numbers on either of these populations that any of us can nail down. He chooses all. Some choose Him back. Others deny Him through word and action. jar once argued that God, (like the Warlord) has the ability to save everyone and thus a duty to do so. The counterargument suggests that saving someone who didn't choose to be saved would be unfair to that person(at that point in time before they were transformed) Would you want God to override your honesty in refusing to believe in this stuff? If so, then perhaps He should save you at least. I dunno about everybody...that would be determined on a case by case basis.
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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Message 179 of 794 (876660)
05-25-2020 9:16 AM
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05-24-2020 2:32 PM


Re: Why Moses' Version of the Flood is the Most Reliable Ancient Account.
You seem remarkably unwilling to discuss the videos you post,
The Biblical story of the Flood is two versions of the story mashed together. Does he explain how to tell which of them is Moses’ and how he knows that one is more accurate than the other ? Or does he not mention that problem (which he certainly ought to know about)?

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Message 180 of 794 (876661)
05-25-2020 9:59 AM
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Re: JarThink
Phat writes:
I believe that God wants all of us to be saved but that we either agree to it or fight it.
That's just the usual 'I believe' garbage with added logical absurdity.
How can the billions of people that have never heard of the bible, Jesus and all the rest of the claptrap fight it? There's nothing to fight. How can those that once believed as you did fight it? It's a really dumb thing to say.
You just swallow all the hogwash recycle it and refuse to actually THINK. I dunno maybe you can't.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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