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Author Topic:   the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.
JonF
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Message 7 of 160 (876053)
05-12-2020 10:18 AM


I'm surprised Percy promoted a topic with so many topics.
The fossils are dating with earth layers, and the earth layers are dating with fossils. It's a loop.
Nope. That's a PRATT (Point Refuted a Thousand Times). Obviously you aren't inter in the truth, but rocks are dated by radiometric and index fossils are used to correlate layers in different places.
Carbon dating or other dating are not accurate.
They are accurate, proven by the many correlations between independent methods and historical dates.
They bring those numbers to fit evolution.
Jumping right into the "world-wide multi-century conspiracy of hundreds of thousands of scientists, so effective that there is no evidence whatsoever of its existence. Most creationists save that for a last resort.

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JonF
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Message 35 of 160 (876086)
05-12-2020 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-12-2020 10:21 AM


buddy, tell me something YOU know for sure, or anybody.
Wow, no response to the substance of my post and an attitude to boot. But I'll respond.
Formally in science all conclusions are tentative. But the conclusions that the Universe is about 13.8 billion years old, the Earth is 4.54 billion years old, and life arose via natural causes and evolution are as well established as any scientific conclusion can be.

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JonF
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Message 36 of 160 (876087)
05-12-2020 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-12-2020 12:28 PM


And it is indeed wisdom.

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JonF
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Message 38 of 160 (876089)
05-12-2020 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-12-2020 11:56 AM


carbon dating is based on a constant which is not...
14C dating is based on the well-established fact of constant radioactive decay rates under terrestrial conditions and no other constant. E.g. there is no assumption of constant atmospheric 14C/12C ratio. We know that wasn’t constant.
... they have different results for the same piece
Nope. Although there are some creationist frauds that claim that.

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JonF
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Message 40 of 160 (876091)
05-12-2020 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-12-2020 1:50 PM


buddy, let's wait 10 years because this "must" change
Asshole, I assume English is not your first language. A pronoun such as "this" requires an antecedent noun to which it refers. What noun does "this" refer to?
It's formally possible that the facts mentioned in my message may change. In the real world they might be refined slightly but there will never be a significant change.

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JonF
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Message 41 of 160 (876092)
05-12-2020 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by vimesey
05-12-2020 11:53 AM


Probably that's a confused reference to the fact the Web was invented at CERN. It's common for the ignorant to confuse the Web with the Internet.

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JonF
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Message 42 of 160 (876093)
05-12-2020 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-12-2020 11:58 AM


I've seen atoms in an Atomic Force Microscope. Or are you now requiring visible light in addition to visual observation?
Do you believe in the Eifell Tower? Have you climbed it?

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JonF
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Message 45 of 160 (876096)
05-12-2020 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-12-2020 1:59 PM


what are you waiting to discover? make life in laboratory and this is the end of debate forever
Can't do that today. Probably will be able to do that in the reasonably near future.
But that won't end the debate. Creationists will claim to find fault. Whenever anything happens within 100 meters of a human being, creationists claim it doesn't count because of intelligence being involved.
This is supposed to be a discussion. Not an endless litany of falsehoods and ignorance. Bye-bye.

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JonF
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Message 51 of 160 (876115)
05-12-2020 7:02 PM


He's definitely one of the worst I've seen in many years. Three pages and zero substance, zero engagement. Whatever the fate of this thread I'm out.

  
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Message 130 of 160 (876412)
05-19-2020 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-19-2020 3:07 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry

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