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Peter
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Message 46 of 57 (82488)
02-03-2004 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Itachi Uchiha
01-30-2004 11:57 PM


Plain logic doesn't help, since in your post you place unstated
assumptions that cannot be validated.
quote:
if this is true and it happened millions of years ago Id have to ask what kind of technology did they use to get here? I mean i wont believe that they floated off to earth. I guess NASA can benefit from this information.
If the universe is 13 billion years old, what is the logic
that would allow one to claim that no intelligent life
has existed in the distant past (a few million years is peanuts
in the history of the universe).
quote:
Secondly, if they came from some where else they would of have died because their system(anatomy) wouldnt survive the conditions in this earth just as we wouldnt survive the conditions in any other planet or star in the universe. I guess plain logic reasoning makes that theory all wrong
If I were leaving earth to live somewhere else I would make
damn sure that the environment I was going to was one that
I could live in ... or change to suit me.
Not saying that we came from anywhere other than Earth, only
that your counter argument isn't valid.

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Peter
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Message 47 of 57 (82490)
02-03-2004 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by sidelined
01-31-2004 10:27 PM


If the golden calf existed at all who says it was olid gold?
More likely, given the conditions on the Exodus, it would
have been a wooden frame covered in gold leaf/plate.
..and if they could melt the gold to make the calf in the
first place they must have had pretty good fires going.

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Peter
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Message 48 of 57 (82491)
02-03-2004 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Abshalom
01-31-2004 10:39 AM


Re: The Aliens Did It
Not to say that I am a believer in the whole
Dogon thing, but the criticisms levelled don't add up.
1) The French anthropologist claimed to have got in tight
with the priests, and they told him their secrets. There is
no sugesstion that this was common knowledge amongst the Dogon
or that they would tell just anyone (like investigators who
came later).
2) 60 Year festivals don't match the 50 year orbit, but do
match a 50 year orbit + 10 year journey time (Sirius is
approx 8.7 light years away).
3) In the Dogon story, we know nothing about the extra-terrestrials
other than that they are amphibious, and so NOT much like us.
IF they existed they may be based on a very different life
principle.
I'm not saying I beleive, just that the criticisms don't really
cover the ground well.
I admit I find it hard to accept that we are the only
intelligent life in such a vast universe, and have no objection
to the idea that, compared to others, we might be frickin' retards

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Peter
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Message 49 of 57 (82492)
02-03-2004 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Itachi Uchiha
02-02-2004 5:09 PM


I've looked for extra-biblical corroboration of Exodus
before -- I can't find anything.

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Peter
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Message 50 of 57 (82494)
02-03-2004 5:00 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Itachi Uchiha
02-02-2004 5:35 PM


I think getting 600,000 people across a 7 km reef
in four hours is a stretch.
Even at twenty people across with .5m for each person
the line would be 15km long.
How wide IS this reef, and what is the surface like?
At 1.75 Kph one person could do 7km in four hours, but
since the line could be 15km, they would have to make 3.5
kph each ... carrying all their posessions and children
and old folk.
...and it's still not an Egyptian account of the event.

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Brian
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Message 51 of 57 (82505)
02-03-2004 6:26 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Peter
02-03-2004 5:00 AM


600 000: try 2-3 million!
Hi Peter,
The 600 000 people are only the men of fighting age, when women, children and old people are added the number rises to 2-3 million depending on which scholar you read.
Rowely claims that marching in an old fashioned column of 4 the group would stretch for 350 miles, all the way across the Sinai and back again. It would take over two weeks to move between any two points.
I would say the best explanation would be to look at the definitions of the word for thousand (eleph) which can mean, family or tent.
However, the Exodus is a dead issue.
Brian.

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Peter
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Message 52 of 57 (82520)
02-03-2004 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Brian
02-03-2004 6:26 AM


Re: 600 000: try 2-3 million!
Just responding to the posted data (and data at the URL
cited) to point out that the analysis provided doesn't
seem quite correct.
The URL suggested that 600,000 people could cross a
7km reef in 4 hours.

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Brian
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Message 53 of 57 (82532)
02-03-2004 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Peter
02-03-2004 8:21 AM


Re: 600 000: try 2-3 million!
Hi,
Yes I realise this, I wasn't trying to correct you or anything like that. I just wasn't sure if many readers were aware of the actual numbers that were allegedly involved.
It looks like the mathematicians will need to recalculate.
LOL apparently it took six months to work this out!
Looks as if they might need a grant for another years work at least.
Brian.
[This message has been edited by Brian, 02-03-2004]

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PaulK
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Message 54 of 57 (82536)
02-03-2004 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Peter
02-03-2004 4:43 AM


Re: The Aliens Did It
quote:
2) 60 Year festivals don't match the 50 year orbit, but do
match a 50 year orbit + 10 year journey time (Sirius is
approx 8.7 light years away).
This objection makes no sense to me. Why would you add the journey time to the duration of the orbit ?
Suppose the position we want occurred in 1800 and that there is a ten-year journey time. It will be visible on Earth in 1810.
With a 50-year orbit the next time that position occurs will be in 1850 and it will be seen in 1860 (1810 + 50 years). And the next one will be visible in 1910 and the next in 1960.
On the other hand the ceremonies with a 60-year cycle would be held in 1870 (10 years late), 1930 (20 years late) and 1990 (30 years late).

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Peter
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Message 55 of 57 (82961)
02-04-2004 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by PaulK
02-03-2004 9:52 AM


Re: The Aliens Did It
That's not what I meant.
Suppose the story is correct, and the Dogon were receiving
regular visits from these amphibious bods.
I was thinking more in terms of 'We will be back in 60 years.'
...but that still doesn't make sense so I'll retract that
as an objection.

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1.61803
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Message 56 of 57 (87585)
02-19-2004 5:30 PM


How bout this???
Cromag.....and Homo sapiens sapiens merging into one species . Kinda like the Europeans that melded with the Chinese into oblivion. There is some evidence that suggest Eastern Europeans inhabited parts of China hundreds of thousands of years ago. I saw it on Discovery Channel, (so no I dont have the reference.) But is is plausible that Neandertals and Cromags and modern humans could have all interbred into one common species extant today. Just take a look at Lou Farigno from the old Hulk shows. LOL. Or is this just Crap on my part? As far as the possibility of modern humans evolving on another planet and being transplanted here , well even if worm hole travel was possible side stepping the speed c limit. Did these ET's just drop the poor bugger off and say good luck buddy, watch out for them cave bears.!! Just a thought..

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Message 57 of 57 (87596)
02-19-2004 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by 1.61803
02-19-2004 5:30 PM


Re: How bout this???
quote:
But is is plausible that Neandertals and Cromags and modern humans could have all interbred into one common species extant today.
I am leaning in the direction of separate species, with little to no inter-breeding, at least with neanderthals. This is due to the differences in mitochondrial DNA, human and neand mitDNA is quite different. If maternal lines crossed, we would expect the variation of neand mitDNA and human mitDNA to overlap, but instead they are quite separate. Humans and cro-mag, maybe. Does anyone know of any mitDNA sequences for cro-mag? That might be interesting.
source:
Just a moment...

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