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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Plain logic doesn't help, since in your post you place unstated
assumptions that cannot be validated. quote: If the universe is 13 billion years old, what is the logicthat would allow one to claim that no intelligent life has existed in the distant past (a few million years is peanuts in the history of the universe). quote: If I were leaving earth to live somewhere else I would makedamn sure that the environment I was going to was one that I could live in ... or change to suit me. Not saying that we came from anywhere other than Earth, onlythat your counter argument isn't valid.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
If the golden calf existed at all who says it was olid gold?
More likely, given the conditions on the Exodus, it would have been a wooden frame covered in gold leaf/plate. ..and if they could melt the gold to make the calf in thefirst place they must have had pretty good fires going.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Not to say that I am a believer in the whole
Dogon thing, but the criticisms levelled don't add up. 1) The French anthropologist claimed to have got in tightwith the priests, and they told him their secrets. There is no sugesstion that this was common knowledge amongst the Dogon or that they would tell just anyone (like investigators who came later). 2) 60 Year festivals don't match the 50 year orbit, but domatch a 50 year orbit + 10 year journey time (Sirius is approx 8.7 light years away). 3) In the Dogon story, we know nothing about the extra-terrestrialsother than that they are amphibious, and so NOT much like us. IF they existed they may be based on a very different life principle. I'm not saying I beleive, just that the criticisms don't reallycover the ground well. I admit I find it hard to accept that we are the onlyintelligent life in such a vast universe, and have no objection to the idea that, compared to others, we might be frickin' retards
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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I've looked for extra-biblical corroboration of Exodus
before -- I can't find anything.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I think getting 600,000 people across a 7 km reef
in four hours is a stretch. Even at twenty people across with .5m for each personthe line would be 15km long. How wide IS this reef, and what is the surface like? At 1.75 Kph one person could do 7km in four hours, butsince the line could be 15km, they would have to make 3.5 kph each ... carrying all their posessions and children and old folk. ...and it's still not an Egyptian account of the event.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi Peter,
The 600 000 people are only the men of fighting age, when women, children and old people are added the number rises to 2-3 million depending on which scholar you read. Rowely claims that marching in an old fashioned column of 4 the group would stretch for 350 miles, all the way across the Sinai and back again. It would take over two weeks to move between any two points. I would say the best explanation would be to look at the definitions of the word for thousand (eleph) which can mean, family or tent. However, the Exodus is a dead issue. Brian.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Just responding to the posted data (and data at the URL
cited) to point out that the analysis provided doesn't seem quite correct. The URL suggested that 600,000 people could cross a7km reef in 4 hours.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi,
Yes I realise this, I wasn't trying to correct you or anything like that. I just wasn't sure if many readers were aware of the actual numbers that were allegedly involved. It looks like the mathematicians will need to recalculate. LOL apparently it took six months to work this out! Looks as if they might need a grant for another years work at least. Brian. [This message has been edited by Brian, 02-03-2004]
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: This objection makes no sense to me. Why would you add the journey time to the duration of the orbit ? Suppose the position we want occurred in 1800 and that there is a ten-year journey time. It will be visible on Earth in 1810.With a 50-year orbit the next time that position occurs will be in 1850 and it will be seen in 1860 (1810 + 50 years). And the next one will be visible in 1910 and the next in 1960. On the other hand the ceremonies with a 60-year cycle would be held in 1870 (10 years late), 1930 (20 years late) and 1990 (30 years late).
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Peter Member (Idle past 1480 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
That's not what I meant.
Suppose the story is correct, and the Dogon were receivingregular visits from these amphibious bods. I was thinking more in terms of 'We will be back in 60 years.'...but that still doesn't make sense so I'll retract that as an objection.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Cromag.....and Homo sapiens sapiens merging into one species . Kinda like the Europeans that melded with the Chinese into oblivion. There is some evidence that suggest Eastern Europeans inhabited parts of China hundreds of thousands of years ago. I saw it on Discovery Channel, (so no I dont have the reference.) But is is plausible that Neandertals and Cromags and modern humans could have all interbred into one common species extant today. Just take a look at Lou Farigno from the old Hulk shows. LOL. Or is this just Crap on my part? As far as the possibility of modern humans evolving on another planet and being transplanted here , well even if worm hole travel was possible side stepping the speed c limit. Did these ET's just drop the poor bugger off and say good luck buddy, watch out for them cave bears.!! Just a thought..
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: I am leaning in the direction of separate species, with little to no inter-breeding, at least with neanderthals. This is due to the differences in mitochondrial DNA, human and neand mitDNA is quite different. If maternal lines crossed, we would expect the variation of neand mitDNA and human mitDNA to overlap, but instead they are quite separate. Humans and cro-mag, maybe. Does anyone know of any mitDNA sequences for cro-mag? That might be interesting. source:Just a moment...
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