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Message 6 of 33 (87521)
02-19-2004 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dyno
02-19-2004 1:52 PM


Dyno writes:
I need some arguments I mean some good ones we are loosing. I am on the creationists side and am like the best debator on our side, and am the only one doing the work and I need some good,real stuff on how I can beat them at this.
Good luck, man. You're going to need it.
Did you get assigned to defend the creationist position, or did you volunteer for it?
If you are a Christian now, and if you volunteered with any intent of defending Creationism in order to defend your faith, I think it is very important that you somehow come to terms with the notion that the literal truth of mainstream Creationism should not be essential to an honest Christian faith. If you let your faith rest on the truth of mainstream Creationism, you may wind up severely disillusioned when you are confronted with the facts.
The theory of evolution was not concocted by scientists with an anti-God or anti-Christian intent. It is the most reasonable scientific interpretation of the evidence. It's neither anti-Allah, nor anti-Ganesha, etc... The theory of evolution does not necessarily exclude God or gods as the creator(s), however the theory is forumlated in such a way that references to God are unnecessary for the evolutionary hypothesis to be valid.
I think that would be your most poignant line of argument. Mainstream Creationism (that which posits a less-than-10,000-year-old-earth, sponatneous "popping into existence" of all the earthly "kinds", a worldwide flood, etc...) has been falsified. Still, this does not mean that God does not exist, nor that He did not create the universe utilizing/guiding evolution to suit His will. God can still be the creator, and it's not wrong to believe that He is while simultaneously knowing that evolution occurs and is responsible for the diversity of life on our planet.

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Message 9 of 33 (87527)
02-19-2004 2:25 PM
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02-19-2004 2:14 PM


Dyno writes:
ok, see god can not come into the subject because it is beleif.
I have the same question as crashfrog. It seems like the deck was really stacked against you in this debate. Not that I disagree with the reasons that they've limited you in this way, but if they were not going to allow references to a creator, then in my opinion there is no real debate in the first place.

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Message 11 of 33 (87534)
02-19-2004 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Dyno
02-19-2004 2:31 PM


Dyno writes:
ok ok sorry let me rephrase that, I ment the bible cant come into effect, the bible cant be brought in as use, but god can come into the debate so yes have any thing you could help me with?
Cool, that makes some more sense.
I would return to my original suggestion, then. Argue that evolutionism and creationism are not mutually exclusive. Evolution does not falsify every form of creationism. It is entirely possible that God (or any not-specific-to-the-Christian-Bible god) created the universe to produce life through the natural mechanisms that are described by the theory of evolution. This possibility cannot be disproven (which is why it is not included in scietific hypotheses). It's always possible, but since it can't be unambiguously verified through objective tests, it is unscientific -- but that doesn't mean that it's untrue!

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