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ringo
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Message 706 of 1086 (872235)
02-23-2020 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by Phat
02-22-2020 12:33 PM


Re: The Bottom Line On Christian Nationalism & Apologetics
Phat writes:
We pay the lions share of military protection for countries such as Kuwait.
And the Soviet Union payed the lions share of military "protection" for Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania.... What they were "protecting" was their own interests.
Phat writes:
This whole globalism thing is rugged not to favor us, so why should we contribute?
Because you live on the globe. Everything that happens on the globe effects you.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 707 of 1086 (872236)
02-23-2020 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 704 by Phat
02-23-2020 9:37 AM


Re: The Bottom Line On Christian Nationalism & Apologetics
Phat writes:
GOD, if God exists did not set it up to be a rigged game of chance. He set it up more like chess. You protect the King. It is intentional.
That's an extremely bad analogy. You protect the King? Did you think at all before you posted that?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 710 of 1086 (872241)
02-23-2020 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 708 by Phat
02-23-2020 2:15 PM


Re: The Bottom Line On Christian Nationalism & Apologetics
Phat writes:
In this context, protecting the King means protecting our way of life and not getting run around by the globalists who demand we pay the bill.
That doesn't make any sense. You're talking about protecting yourself. No chess piece does that. They are all interdependent.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 711 of 1086 (872242)
02-23-2020 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 709 by Phat
02-23-2020 2:21 PM


Re: The Bottom Line On Christian Nationalism & Apologetics
Phat writes:
Is it fair for you to contribute more towards the block charter dues than any other household?
Of course.
Phat writes:
If you say yes, you are truly a Marxist.
Nonsense. Learn what Marxism is.
You're the one who is worried about class struggle. You're more of a Marxist than I am.
Phat writes:
Fact is, every household contributes the same amount.
That's not a fact. Have you ever heard of progressive taxation? Most attempts at "fair" taxation are on the principle of "from each according to his ability".
Phat writes:
This whole idea of stolen meals applies at best to the former residents of the block...mainly our parents...who left us the house.
Not at all. It applies to the foreign workers that we and our parents exploited.
Phat writes:
We are in no way responsible for whatever inequities they perpetuated on the block.
We are responsible for fixing the damage we did in the past and for not continuing to do damage in the future.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 719 of 1086 (872282)
02-24-2020 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 712 by Phat
02-23-2020 2:59 PM


Re: The Bottom Line On Christian Nationalism & Apologetics
Phat writes:
So what if the old guy at the end of the block no longer works? He no longer has an income.
Irrelevant. He is/should be taxed based on his ability to pay.
Phat writes:
Are you seriously suggesting that it is up to the retired old man at the end of the block to pay reparations from his friggin retirement account to these workers which his parents once exploited?
Are you seriously suggesting that he shouldn't? Doesn't he want to clear his parents' good name? To that extent, at least, we are responsible for the sins of our fathers.
Phat writes:
What if his retirement account was depleted as a result? Now the shoe is on the other foot and he is the one in need. What would you then suggest?
"To each according to his need."
Phat writes:
Also in this day and age, "from each according to his ability" should be also tied to population.
"Each" is an individual word.
Phat writes:
China should pay more than the US.
"Each" one in China should pay what he can and "each" one in the US should pay what he can. The sum od eaches paid by each country is irrelevant.
Phat writes:
The reason is that the math of economics places an undue strain on our working class.
But it's the middle class (you) that's complaining about being strained.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 720 of 1086 (872283)
02-24-2020 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 713 by Phat
02-23-2020 3:10 PM


Re: The Bottom Line On Christian Nationalism & Apologetics
Phat writes:
Instead, you want to pick on
3) The middle class.
Noooo. I've said that the working class should pay the bulk of the taxes - and that their income should be brought up to where they can afford to do so.
Phat writes:
This is where I would end up if I took Jesus at His word in the book...
That is where you would end up if you didn't trust God. Remember Elijah and the widow?
Phat writes:
... even though He was not specifically addressing me.
You have never been able to back up that claim.
Phat writes:
If so, it appears that Jesus desires all of us to be in the lowest economic quadrant.
Well, He wants you to be willing to be in the lowest economic quadrant.
Phat writes:
This is the group that sanders claims should all get free health care and free education.
I don't know what Sanders says but everybody should get free healthcare and education. Even if you don't care about ordinary human decency, a healthy workforce is essential and an educated electorate is essential.
Phat writes:
... the 3rd quadrant gets hit so hard that they drop down to the 4th quadrant. And you see no problem with this?
I don't know if your prediction has any merit but no, I see no problem with that. Why would I see a problem with equality?
I've been in your "4th quadrant" all my life. I have never made more than $25,000 (Canadian) in one year and I'm not much above half that now. And there are a lot of people who are worse off than me.
Phat writes:
Yes, I am very aware of class struggle.
But it isn't a struggle.
Phat writes:
And I will go with carl over your Jesus of the book character.
I'm going to hold you to that. From now on, you'd better not use the name of "Jesus" again. Say you believe in "Carl", or the voices in your head.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 723 of 1086 (872326)
02-25-2020 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 721 by Phat
02-24-2020 4:30 PM


Re: Reparations Pro & Con
Phat writes:
I found a good argument that mirrors my feelings in some ways.
Your quote pretty much agrees with what I'm saying.
I think you're misunderstanding what responsibility means. If your parents left you a house with a leaky roof, it's your responsibility to fix the roof. That's for your own good. It doesn't do you any good to say, "I didn't damage the roof so I shouldn't have to fix it."
You may not own slaves but you still have to live with the mess that slavery made. It's your responsibility - and to your advantage - to make the situation better.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 732 of 1086 (872356)
02-26-2020 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by Phat
02-25-2020 2:50 PM


Re: Reparations Pro & Con
Phat writes:
The only thing that knitted them to me was learning about and experiencing God. We did that together. We were, however, united only by that similarity and, as I look back, I wonder how similar we actually were?
Well, you became similar because you were steeped in the same culture. You call your God "Jesus" and you believe He rose from the dead, etc. but that's only because of the stories in the book. It has little to do with whatever "experience" you had.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 735 of 1086 (872362)
02-26-2020 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 734 by Phat
02-26-2020 3:21 PM


Re: Dr.Turek weighs in on Protestant and Catholic differences.
The real question is what are you being "saved" from?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 768 of 1086 (872427)
02-27-2020 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 746 by Faith
02-26-2020 8:37 PM


Re: Dr.Turek weighs in on Protestant and Catholic differences.
Faith writes:
ringo writes:
The real question is what are you being "saved" from?
The real answer is: eternal damnation.
That doesn't answer the question. Who created eternal damnation?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 769 of 1086 (872428)
02-27-2020 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 767 by Phat
02-27-2020 10:09 AM


Re: Answering A Humanist Charge And earning Nothing.
Phat writes:
jar claims it is a huckster marketing tool, as does ringo...
Actually, I call it a bold-faced lie.
Phat writes:
That sort of "Christianity" doesn't set well with me. It makes Christianity so all-inclusive that it becomes simply a club that anyone can join....
And you would prefer to keep people out.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 772 of 1086 (872431)
02-27-2020 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 770 by Phat
02-27-2020 10:48 AM


Re: Dr.Turek weighs in on Protestant and Catholic differences.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Who created eternal damnation?
We did and we do.
Then your god din't create the universe and everything in it.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 774 of 1086 (872433)
02-27-2020 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by Phat
02-27-2020 10:52 AM


Re: Answering A Humanist Charge And earning Nothing.
Phat writes:
I would insist that they make a choice before being allowed in.
They do choose - whether they want in or not. You don't want to even give them that choice.
Phat writes:
You cant join a club on your own terms.
It's the members who set the terms.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 775 of 1086 (872434)
02-27-2020 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 773 by Phat
02-27-2020 10:54 AM


Re: Dr.Turek weighs in on Protestant and Catholic differences.
Phat writes:
How so? I don't follow your logic.
WHAT?
What? What? What? What? What?
If your god didn't create eternal damnation, he didn't create everything in the universe. What could be clearer than that?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 781 of 1086 (872442)
02-27-2020 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 777 by Phat
02-27-2020 11:05 AM


Re: Answering A Humanist Charge And earning Nothing.
Phat writes:
Heaven is not a democracy. Otherwise, we would be forced to let satan hang out there also.
There is no Satan. If there was, your god would not be omnipotent.
Phat writes:
IIRC, there was a war and he got evicted.
The story that you recall is from the book that you reject.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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