Demons are smart but sometimes they give themselves away.
Jesus was the most harsh on the religious zealots. The only two times he lost his shit was against the Chief Priests and gamblers/traders who used the Temple as some kind of open air market. Beyond that, he was very accommodating with sinners.
Now we live in an age where televangelists and churches openly sell merchandise and do whatever they can to extort people's money. You keep talking about "demons" and usually level it towards people of leftist ideology. The farthest you will go is against the RCC but you never seem to have any qualms with televangelists -- who knowingly, openly, and joyously rob little old ladies blind in the name of God.... And you say nothing about how demonic that is.
The answer is staring you right in the face, but you refuse to look. Trump is as close as one could possibly get to being the very antithesis of holy and yet you don't see it because you are oblivious to his cheap lip service and OBVIOUS, self-serving pandering.
You talk about demons without mentioning televangelists.... And you know what the bible says. Is it because it is an unflattering part of Christianity? By their fruits you will recognize them... but you don't see it.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER connected demons with leftists or the RCC IN GENERAL and I HAVE mentioned televangelists here and there as false teachers. Do not confuse what I say about demons with any particular people group because I never have and I never do.
YOU CAN BE A SINNER WITHOUT HAVING A DEMON.
You are reading stuff into what I've said that has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've ever said. I've mentioned my own experience of demons, I've mentioned how I think they impersonate UFOs, I've mentioned how I think they account for voices heard in certain kinds of mental illness. WHERE IN ANY OF THAT HAVE I EVER SAID A WORD CONNECTING THEM TO ANY FORM OF IDEOLOGY OR BELIEF?????????? There are plenty of ideas I think originate with Satan but that doesn't mean I think the people who hold those ideas have demons. Show me where I've ever said otherwise.
It's your own jaundiced political views that connect them with Trump, I've said ZIP about connecting them with any particular personalities or ideologies. Trump is an ordinary sinner who happens to be doing good things for the country.
AND YEAH, I am not going to vilify his character the way you do. You all seem to think you can read his mind, you're so sure of his motivations. People are to be judged on their actions, you have no right to judge people on their motivations when you have no direct knowldge of them. People who do that are more likely to have a demon than he is!!!!! because that is a VERY evil thing to do, to judge a person like that.
I HAVE NEVER EVER EVER connected demons with leftists or the RCC IN GENERAL and I HAVE mentioned televangelists here and there as false teachers. Do not confuse what I say about demons with any particular people group because I never have and I never do.
Not even a week ago you said that the RCC and, specifically, the Pope is the ANTI-CHRIST... but now I'm jumping to conclusions about your beliefs when it comes to demon possession?
Secondly, in the spirit of Jesus, I would think that more consternation against televangelists would be material to your choices in topics. I will not say that you have never spoken about them, but I can't recall any times where you excoriate them for the scum they are. But there is ample times where you choose to vilify leftist ideology over that. That much is incontestable.
AND YEAH, I am not going to vilify his character the way you do. You all seem to think you can read his mind, you're so sure of his motivations. People are to be judged on their actions, you have no right to judge people on their motivations when you have no direct knowldge of them. People who do that are more likely to have a demon than he is!!!!! because that is a VERY evil thing to do, to judge a person like that.
Oh, but when Barry was in office you had no problem rubbing his face in the dirt and drawing all sorts of inferences about him! Don't play the victim, Faith. You've made plenty of assumptions about plenty of people over the years. By their fruits you will recognize them.... and the fact that you can't recognize a politician (Trump) who has obviously bamboozled you into believing he gives a fraction of a fuck about Jesus just to pander to a specific base makes me question the depth of your knowledge about the bible.
There are a lot secular Republicans who follow Trump for whatever reason. That's fine, whatever. But it bothers me to no end that so many Christians revere a man who embodies almost every virtue that is antithetical to Christian doctrine. You, Glenn Beck, Mike Huckabee, etc, should be warning people about Trump, not steering them towards him.
Somehow in this country, Americana and Christianity morphed together as if they were analogous to one another when they aren't. Now we have bible verses embedded on weapons of war, but we get pissy when Muslims kill people in the name of Allah. What's the goddamn difference??? Its irreverence in the name of reverence either way.
Its funny.... you've spent all this time talking about the Anti-Christ without making the connection that a person like Trump fits the narrative nicely. That is astonishing! He doesn't give a crap about you, or the poor, or the destitute, or anyone or anything that Jesus would care about... and yet you follow him to your own destruction. Well done.
You have preachers, who in the NAME OF THE MOST HIGH GOD, unceremoniously rob people and so many Christians remain silent. That is shameful, that is despicable, and I find it egregious that true Christians don't call them out more often. If they do, its a postscript. Televangelists should be on the top of your hit list, because they certainly were considered the worst of the worst by your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ...... AMEN!!!!!
You know, just because I seriously question the validity of the bible as a whole doesn't mean that it doesn't still hold a place in my heart. While I may lean more heavily towards it not being real, I have never discounted all of it and I certainly am still of the belief that much of what Jesus taught was beautiful and virtuous.
Without asking for permission to make assumptions from other people on the forum, I know that the majority of the people that are critical of Christians are really only critical for one major reason.... and that reason is HYPOCRISY! Even the staunchest atheist has enough sense to be disgusted by duplicity and deceit in the name of God. Even they have a measure of respect for what God is supposed to mean, even if they think its ultimately man-made, to see people who genuinely believe and use that belief to destroy instead of to build, to tear apart instead of edify, to cast aspersions instead of being kind and forgiving, and to spend more time showing you why you're wrong instead of spending time assisting those in need.
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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE UNSUPPORTED ACCUSATIONS. YOU NEED TO TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE. You have supported not one word of your smear job.
I consider it important to expose the RCC and the Pope based on what the Protestant Reformers said, and especially on the subject of the end times Tribulation. Finally I suggested that the Antichrist will probably be possessed by Satan. Otherwise I've said NOTHING about demon possession in relation to the RCC in general. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
The televangelists have not come up in any context here that I recall. CONTEXT is the point. I could list lots of apostate Christian groups in the right context, including the televangelists, they are everywhere these days, but the Pope is THE ANTICHRIST and that's a special category. And again you accused me of imputing demons to the RCC in general, and offer no evidence that I ever did that. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
And I identify leftist ideology as a great danger to the country and the world. Where did I ever say you have to be demon possessed to be a Leftist? TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
And Obama was raised a Communist, nobody has to make that up. And he has family in Kenya and a grandmother who said he was born there before she said "oops" and changed her mind. Even if it turns out to be wrong, nobody had to make that up. He went around apologizing for America the way Leftist America haters do. Nobody had to make that up. YOU NEED TO TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE
But you and the Left make up Trump's THOUGHTS for pete's sake, you accuse him based on what you THINK HE MEANT. Nobody ever did that with Obama. You also make his perfectly justified actions into something criminal. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
Trump is an ordinary sinner who is doing good for the country. You on the Left are hallucinating motives he does not have. You arfe the one committing egregious injustices against the President and his millions of ordinary American supporters. You are consumed by "Trump derangement syndrome." It's all made up, it's all hallucinated, not one word of it is true. YOU NEED TO TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
I consider it important to expose the RCC and the Pope based on what the Protestant Reformers said, and especially on the subject of the end times Tribulation. Finally I suggested that the Antichrist will probably be possessed by Satan. Otherwise I've said NOTHING about demon possession in relation to the RCC in general. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
Oh, I'm sorry that Satan, the king of the demons, is not the same as demon possession. LOL, my bad!!!!
The televangelists have not come up in any context here that I recall. CONTEXT is the point. I could list lots of apostate Christian groups in the right context, including the televangelists, they are everywhere these days, but the Pope is THE ANTICHRIST and that's a special category. And again you accused me of imputing demons to the RCC in general, and offer no evidence that I ever did that. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
I'm suggesting that you are not as hip to your own religion as you make yourself out to be. This has a lot less to do with demon possession and a lot more about your inability to understand the fundamentals of your own religion. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE TO JESUS CHRIST, YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR!!!!!
Obama was raised a Communist, nobody has to make that up. And he has family in Kenya and a grandmother who said he was born there before she said "oops" and changed her mind. Nobody had to make that up. But you and the Left make up Trump's THOUGHTS for pete's sake, you accuse him based on what you THINK HE MEANT. Nobody ever did that with Obama. TAKE IT BACK AND APOLOGIZE.
Trumps THOUGHTS are reflections of his ACTIONS and his own WORDS, dear. This is straight from the horses mouth.
Trump is an ordinary sinner who is doing good for the country. You on the Left are hallucinating motives he does not have. You arfe the one commit egregious injustice to the President and his supporters. You are consumed by "Trump derangement syndrome." It's all made up, it's all hallucinated, not one word of it is true.
LOL, okay.... First of all, ask anyone here... I'm not on "the Left." I actually get accused more of being an Alt-Right fascist. I mean, sure, compared to you I might as well be Joseph Stalin, but to everyone else I'm either hard or moderate to the Right.
But this is quite amusing given the fact that Donald J. Trump was a registered Democrat (you know, a Leftist), for the overwhelming majority of his life. He just found a way to switch sides and pretend that Scrooge McDuck, who's never tasted poverty, somehow cares about the plight of middle America and a man who has never accepted Jesus Christ but somehow has become his mouthpiece.
The wool has been pulled over your eyes!!!!
As to my vilification of Trump, I defend him where I think he needs to be defended. I think he's done a far better job than I initially gave him credit for. How much credit goes to him is debatable but I'm willing to make concessions as they appear appropriate. But make no mistake that whatever my misgivings about Trump are, and there are many, it comes directly from his own mouth or his infantile Tweets. I think he's got some really stupid and destructive views. If you'd like to go over that I'd happy to... but on another thread more suited to such a political topic.
My invocation of Trump on this thread was to demonstrate that you like to play fast and loose with Christianity when it suits you. Trump is not a Christian anymore than Creflo Dollar is.... he's a charlatan.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
It seems that a Trump’s spiritual advisor is the worst sort of Prosperity Gospel predator.
She broke it all down for her congregants, making it simple: If they prioritize their paychecks for more earthly needs, like keeping the lights on, they were treating Florida Power and Light (FPL) like God himself. Instead of writing [that check] to the house of God as I’m instructed to, then what I’m saying spiritually is, ‘FPL, I have now established a spiritual law that put you first. So, FPL, save my family, FPL, deliver my drug addicted son. FPL, kill this cancer that doctors say is in my body.’
John Oliver most definitely makes his point with cusswords and an undercurrent of humor. I have seen his show a time or two, but felt that it was fair to look a bit deeper into this man and what his show represents to the Public. I started here.
Wikipedia. I was impressed with the number of journalism awards he has won for the show and of how he has
quote:stated that he has "full creative freedom, including free rein to criticize corporations".
I notice that he has criticized many diverse elements operating with impunity within our society, including shows on the following:
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"Tobacco" is a segment about the tobacco industry, which aired on February 15, 2015, as part of the second episode of the second season. During the eighteen-minute segment, Oliver discusses tobacco industry trends and practices. He also introduces Jeff the Diseased Lung, a mascot he created for the American global cigarette and tobacco company Philip Morris International, the makers of Marlboro brand of cigarettes. The anthropomorphic diseased lung, who smokes and coughs, has been compared to Joe Camel and the Marlboro Man. Oliver and his team promoted the cartoon character by sending shirts with Jeff's image to Togo and displaying billboards in Uruguay, and by encouraging use of the hashtag #JeffWeCan, which trended on Twitter following the broadcast.
The segment received widespread media coverage, with several outlets praising Oliver's ability to launch successful marketing campaigns and change perceptions about smoking through the creation of the mascot. The mascot later made an appearance at a protest organized by the "Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids" in New York City in May 2015.[103][104]
Philip Morris International issued a response to the segment, stating that it included "many mischaracterizations" of the company.[105]
Stranger Than Truth: John Oliver's 101 Favorite History Lies There is absolutely nothing more fun than lying confidently about history. Lying is incredibly fun. In fact, the only thing that feels better than lying to someone is lying to someone, then regaining their trust, and then lying to them again. This book, for example, was promised to be released in April 2016. But that was a lie. The plan was always October 2018. Because, you know, now is a time in history when lying openly gets you elected to office.
In this book, you will find plenty of plausible but completely unverifiable nonsense. Almost like watching Fox News but with a better sense of humor. Hopefully, it will teach you much about nothing other than the true joy of lying to people. Honestly, there has never been a better moment in history to be a liar. We have reached a point where truths have become lies and lies are now the truth. So learn from the greatest and get inspired by the best lies in history.
In August 2015, after delivering his "Televangelists" segment, Oliver hired a professional tax lawyer to set up a church called Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption as a legal entity. He did this partly as a way to demonstrate how "disturbingly easy" it is, in terms of paperwork, to set up a tax-exempt religious organization as viewed by the Internal Revenue Service. As Oliver explained, the requirements needed to be defined as a "church" are quite broad. Since regulatory guidelines require an established location for a church, Oliver chose his studio location in New York City as its official location,[107] although he registered the nonprofit organization in the state of Texas.[108] Oliver's "megachurch" had a toll-free phone number which allowed callers to donate to the church, and said that any money collected would be redistributed to the charitable relief organization Doctors Without Borders.[109][110] Oliver announced the formation of his church on the episode of the show that aired on August 16, 2015.[111](...)A week later, on the following episode, Oliver devoted a short segment to the donations the church had received, which included money from around the world. Oliver said he had received "thousands of envelopes with thousands of dollars" from donors. Displayed were several US Post Office containers full of mail. Oliver told viewers that the more money they sent in, the more "blessings" would be returned to them, adding that "that is still something I'm amazingly legally allowed to say."[114]
Oliver announced that the Church would be shutting down during his show on September 13, 2015. All monetary donations have been forwarded to Doctors Without Borders.[115]
wiki writes:
Oliver lives in New York City with his wife Kate Norley, an Iraq War veteran who served as a United States Army medic.[108] Oliver has said that they met at the 2008 Republican National Convention; he was doing a piece for The Daily Show and Norley was campaigning with Vets for Freedom. She and other veterans hid Oliver, the other correspondents, and the camera crew from security.[109][110] The two married in October 2011.[1] Together, the couple have two sons, one born prematurely[111] in 2015[112][113] and one born in 2018.[114] Oliver occasionally wears a 1st Cavalry Division lapel pin — his wife's unit in Iraq.[115] He has a younger sister who lives in Australia.[116]
I like this guy.
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
Hey man. Been a few years since I've been on EvC, I don't remember you from back in the day. I suppose I'm sort of a ghost these days . Anyway. As a believer myself, I really appreciate this post. Poignant and necessary. Thanks for having the courage to say it.
It has less to do with your views than it does your attitude.
I suspect you are imagining/hallucinating my "attitude" just as all Trump haters hallucinate his from nothing but either perfectly ordinary communications he is perfectly within his rights to pronounce, to his quirky expressions of personality which you don't like but are nothing more than that: quirky expressions of his personality, which Trump haters hallucinate into something bad -- and as a matter of fact it is the Trump haters who are really guilty of the things they impute to Trump, but I'll leave that for a political thread.
But back to your accusations of me, I'm really quite matter of fact about all these things. I post them because I think they are useful information that people need to have. That's my "attitude" as far as I know. So despite your denial, it must be my views you don't like, to which you attach some hallucinated "attitude" you impute to me.
I have no idea what possesses you to see me as you do, what you think my "attitude" is but I know it's you and not me. We are all surrounded by demons by the way and they influence us wherever they can whenever they can. They are certainly behind the proliferation of false religions in this world, which it really would be a good thing for people to know about but they've also blinded people so that they deny even the reality of demons. Then they mock and vilify those who talk about them, from the only source of true information about them we happen to have, i.e. the Bible of course.
There is a talk at You Tube by John MacArthur on demons in this world if you are interested. I'm not going to post it, you can find it yourself if you are interested. He does a very thorough job of going through the Bible's references to them. It's called "Demonic Invasion (Genesis 6)" if you have any interest in hearing it. Yes it is basically about the passage in Genesis 6 but in discussing it he roams all over the Bible.
I post them because I think they are useful information that people need to know. That's my "attitude" as far as I know. So despite your denial, it must be my views you don't like, to which you attach some hallucinated "attitude" you impute to me.
I don't want to drag this into ad hominem anymore than it needs to, but its your delivery, lack of tact and inability to listen that irks people. That is the last thing that I will say about your character and will stick with the topic at hand. If you'd like to PM to continue I'd be happy to go over it in more detail otherwise lets stick with the topic.
We are all surrounded by demons by the way and they influence us wherever they can whenever they can. They are certainly behind the proliferation of false religions in this world, which it really would be a good thing for people to know about but they've also blinded people so that they deny even the reality of demons. Then they mock and vilify those who talk about them, from the only source of true information about them we happen to have, i.e. the Bible of course.
Let me ask you something... You've read Isaiah, Daniel, Revelations, etc, right? You know the ending of the story and their eventual fate. Why are you and Christians so terrified of "demons?" Do you really have such little faith in God's ability that demons keep you up at night? It must be convenient to have a perennial scapegoat to explain away all the bad things in this world, but why you are so hyper-focused on them is kind of amazing. O' ye of little faith! Walk a straight path with God and they can't touch you... unless of course your name is Job and God allows Satan access to torment you just to prove something in a pissing contest... then you're pretty screwed. But I digress...
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Hey man. Been a few years since I've been on EvC, I don't remember you from back in the day. I suppose I'm sort of a ghost these days . Anyway. As a believer myself, I really appreciate this post. Poignant and necessary. Thanks for having the courage to say it.
You might have remembered me as the artist formerly known as Nemesis_Juggernaut, aka Nem Jugs, aka Nemmy, aka NJ.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
I don't care what "irks" people, that isn't the subject here. People here are "irked" by true Biblical Christianity, by believers in the Bible, by believers in demons, by conservatives and right wingers, so what? You accused me of some very serious things, such as hypocrisy. I am onest, I am not a hypocrite, and if you want to talk about the televangelists, fine, but if I'm talking about other things that doesn't mean I am giving them a pass, I'm just talking about other thihngs and they aren't on my mind at the moment. You really do need to apologize but I know you won't.
. Anyway. As a believer myself, I really appreciate this post. Poignant and necessary. Thanks for having the courage to say it.
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