Charismatic Chaos

Because its an extreme treatment of the problem that seeks to fight fire with fire instead of water. You don't need to push a race down in order to elevate all others. If equality is the name of the game then we should be focusing on equality not fostering inequality. This isn't the bible... in the real world we don't punish people for the sins of the father, but that's exactly what woke, cancel culture does and it does so based on no other inference except *gasp* race. Because its not always accurate and it focuses and directs the problem onto a race of people instead of treating people as individuals. It inherently attacks people on racial lines, not individual qualities. That's perpetuating racist stereotypes. I don't see how that could possibly be beneficial to anyone.

Is it all right with you if I don't see things your way?I have no idea what "blood" Republicans have on their hands but I don't much mention Republicans, I identify as a general conservative which I refer to as the Right. But I also see the racist blood only on the hands of Democrats and you didn't offer any facts to dispute that, just an accusation.I think David Horowitz has written about the Communist movement's work to undermine America and I'm sure it's true, but what I'm personally aware of is the Cultural Marxists since I encountered them in particular back in the sixties. I was in Berkeley at the time, which is also where David Horowitz was, and the Marxists were very loud and that's what has continued through the universities since then. Don't give me "moderate," don't give me anything about my side being the problem, the Rrepublicans have been a bunch of wimps but I don't identify with the Repuiblicans. It is quite right to lay it all at the feet of the Left, whether the old line Communist movement Horowitz was born into, or the Cultural Marxists I'm aware of. That's the ideology that has EvC by the throat as well as the Democrats.

Show me examples of people pushing whites down. How is being "woke" fostering inequality? So we pretend everything is good and do nothing to help people rise up against generations of inequality?
So pointing out institutional racism(which seemingly you do not think exists) is racist?
The white privilege is strong in this one.

Ok so there is almost no racism. I got yah.
Here is two examples I found just today. Might be another when my kid gets home from school later.Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | CloudflareWorker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare

I dont see the known origins of Christianity inclusive of any cult leader. Some critics accuse Jesus or Saul of Tarsus as being such a figure, but I dismiss those assertions.Granted Christianity became a political tool of Western Expansionism and Manifest Destiny...a practice that became virtually institutionalized within Western Governments until recently. Christian Nationalism is in no way justifiable through the teaching of Jesus Christ nor the Apostle Paul.I do believe that We Become The Decisions We Make and that far too many people follow the teachings of their Pastors without even reading the news or listening directly to what the "other side" says and believes rather than concluding (perhaps through conservative radio) what the situation is and what the actual ideological conflicts are all about. I recall that jar used to always say to me "Phat, have you been listening to Christian radio again"? While it certainly did not stop me from listening to what I enjoyed, it *did* give me an admonition to listen to whatever the opposing social views were that the Christian Radio somehow triggered.I hear a lot of views that challenge and oppose what I believe. I watched you as you used to struggle to argue to defend your beliefs and finally ditched them all together, just as jar urges me to do. Though I listen to Right Wing ideology and social commentary, I also listen to what faith would call Cultural Marxism. In fact, lets google that term before w go any further:
CULTURAL MARXISM' CATCHING ON This article is by the SPLC. Dare i say that many conservatives of whom it targets wouldn't even read what the Southern Poverty Law Center has to say, instead branding that very organization itself as "leftist" and biased?Ive also listened to the Christian Mythicists. Though scholarly, I feel that they dont know any more than the rest of us do concerning jesus christ and that it was meant that belief would be the only thing that Christians could realistically hold on to in the "Final Days". And let's discuss that whole concept also!Nowadays, I don't see global society as in the "Last Days" simply because of what apologists claim the bible says. I see evidence that huge global conflicts are inevitable and will usher in an age that will test the faith of the most diehard believers. Tangle claims that I (and the rest of the "nutters") are far too negative and insane in our thinking and that optimism coupled with reality will carry us past these global challenges. To be honest, it would be simply wonderful if he were correct. Only time will tell.

She won't watch those. I did, and as I analyzed my initial gut reactions, I realized how institutionalized racism is in my own life....something I never would have thought I could be. It's a brave new world....there is no nostalgic past. Thanks for sharing.

My grandson is a blond, unfortunately a very very light yellow blond (not from my side of the family) even at the age of twelve, and he's been bullied by a Mexican kid, and called "trump" because of his blond hair. His parents are liberals. Just keep up the white privilege crap if you want to see more white kids bullied. Sorry, the racism is going more and more both ways these days. And the thing that matter is the institutional racism anyway, and we don't have that any more.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Your personal experience is noted.As long as we are all ranting, let me just for the record state that I don't see Faith, Belief, or Politics as strictly black and white issues. Perhaps I still believe that Good and Evil are this way, but I am also learning that being stubborn enough to never address your opponents and bother to understand their argument is insulting. When you ignore me or someone who takes the time to attempt a debate with you, you are being dismissive and acting as if you and only you have the truth and critics be damned. Perhaps being inactive is good for you. EvC has allowed you to be the number one poster numerically and yet you get on my case for not hearing the "other" side when you yourself completely ignore the other side. Just my observation. And yes, the reason I made it publically is because I wanted to show support for your adversaries as well as talking honestly to you.Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.

Absolutely. Is it okay that I offer a different perspective? Because I wouldn't disagree that they do. Its funny, people have been saying for years that the Lolita Express was a real thing, liberals laughed and scoffed... until it was proven resoundingly and the ring leader is now dead. I'm just saying that this is an "ism" schism. This isn't pure good versus pure evil. Its complicated and nuanced. Reps and Dems have more in common than they do differences. Conservatives tried to say that Unite the Right was not really about racism and while for some it was not, its incontestable that the main thrust of the event was underscored by literal racist ideology. I would obviously agree that most of the members of EvC not only lean left but lean very hard to the left.... and you lean very hard to the right... almost off the page. So what of it?

The narrative that white people are the scum of the earth abounds, so much so that the only way you can be considered an ally is total self-debasement. Let me be clear that history is replete with white doucheyness... I would never contend with something so self-evident, but we should all be careful to make demands of anyone based solely on their race. That is the epitome of racism -- to treat people based solely on their race. If that doesn't strike you as ironic and fundamentally misguided I'd be curious to know why. I do believe generational racism exists, I think institutional racism exists, and I think a white privilege of sorts exists... To the degree it is being portrayed and to the manner in which it is proposed to be eradicated is incorrect, IMO. Its easy to hand-waive everything away through racism. The question is, is it accurate and is it fair? A good example is profiling. Does profiling exist? Yeah, absolutely. And everybody does it to some degree... there's likely evolutionary pressures for it. Do people racially profile? Some do, absolutely. But profiling is not limited to race or gender or sexual orientation or anything else. It extends to how people carry themselves and conduct themselves. If a black man shows up to an interview wearing a suit and a tie and a white guy shows up looking like he just smoked a bowl of meth in the parking, more often than not the black guy is gonna get the position. Were they being profiled? Yep. Was it racially motivated though? No. Did it have more to do with the manner in which they carried themselves? Obviously. But if you reversed those roles, would you be more or less likely to say that the choice was racially motivated? I think you know you would say that the black man didn't get the job on account of his race. So, is that black privilege to be able to hand-waive every negative thing and attribute it to white racism? Is it deserved? Each instance has to be measured on an individual basis, but the point is seldom are things so black and white.... no pun intended.Now, I do agree that some people are more susceptible to unconscious biases... A lot of people, of every race, have had different experiences. Different experiences can taint one's perspective. Maybe they aren't even trying to be racist but somehow it shines through.And let me be very clear that racism does not always mean something negative. I see a lot of guilt-laden white people who patronize minorities for no other reason than the fact they are a minority. Sure, you're being complimentary and trying to be accommodating... but if you're only doing that to get accolades in some kind of show to prove just how un-racist you are, you're still treating people based on nothing else but their race. Lets just shoot for actual equality.

So even though you claim this is true and rampant you have absolutely no examples. Not even an anecdote.Your whole story aout the job interview is bullshit, because we all know that that is not what reality is.So now you are going to whitesplain. You are on a roll. I know no one that would think a black guy that looks like he smoked meth in the parking lot should get a job over a well dressed, well put together white applicant. No one would hand wave this and expect some sort of black privilege. You seem so sure people would. That you think blacks and other minority groups would expect treatment like this exposes your racism and white privilege.
I am sure there are people that do feel this way. I am sure you can find a black person that thinks a black person should always get the job over a white guy and would always cry racism. That is an anomaly. Black and hispanic people no more want a handout than anyone else.
your post is offensive.Edited by Theodoric, : Clarifications, spelling, missing wordsEdited by Theodoric, : More spelling issuesEdited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

LOL, aside from maybe Jews there is no one more openly vilified in the present age than white men -- especially if they're American. They are the root cause for the majority of the ills not only in America but the world at large. It is a dominant theme that white people are the cause of colonialism, oppression, and that even if not directly involved that they are the benefactors of a rigged system. And many share the belief that its not some white people, that its ALL white people. Period. End of discussion. That exists. Thanks for setting the example... imagine the moral outrage had you said "blacksplain." But you won't get any backlash here at EvC for it because its not racist to be critical of white people on account of their whiteness. No, not no one, Theo... Its easier to explain why bad things happen to minorities when you have a scapegoat to explain it all away. Calling out a racist should be reserved for actual racism, not a magic wand to hijack a narrative. See, there you go again... I cannot even have an opinion on a subject without being labelled a racist. You sifted through all the things I said which which affirmed or shared some of your sentiments and extracted only the parts you found unpalatable. And all of it done when I was trying to explain to Faith that racism is still alive and well, by the way. I never mentioned a "handout," so your inclusion of it is erroneous.Here's the deal for white people at large. If you are white you must totally acquiesce, must self-immolate, admit that you are a racist piece of shit, drive the narrative that minorities are oppressed at all times of the day and unless you take direct action you cannot overcome your sins. Because I dared to go against the pantheon, which is because I think its wrong, it is itself inherently and ironically racist, and because it is dangerous for race relations, I'm now vilified as a racist.Believe whatever it is you'd like to believe. But I'd like to think you are intelligent enough to see the difference. You and people of your ilk is what either hermetically seals actual racists in their toxic ideology or helps to create them bit by bit. Ask yourself if this is helpful... Does it work with Faith or does it drive her deeper in to her abyss of garbage thinking?

What if the Mexicans tell him to go back to Spain?My ancestors came to Canada from Ukraine - but they were not Ukrainian. They moved to Ukraine from Poland - but they were not Polish. They moved to Poland from the Netherlands; I don't know how they got there - it was four hundred years ago.I always wonder how far back the "go back where you came from" is supposed to go. Maybe we should all go back to the Olduvai Gorge.But of course the racists don't care where you, "go back to." What they really mean is, "get away from here."

I dismiss your dismissal. That was easy. *cough* cult leaders *cough*

Actually, he pissed me off with that too. It doesn't seems like a strategy with much chance of succeeding - behaving like the thing you accuse others of.