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Message 334 of 531 (871286)
01-31-2020 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 333 by Phat
01-31-2020 9:58 AM


Re: Discussing GOD,God, and god.(whoever the capitalized ones are)
Phat writes:
I included them because I believe that it is both works and belief in conjunction that sum up the teaching. You have used Matthew 25 to justify that belief does not matter, but I often wonder why you initially chose to "cherry-pick" that verse so often.
Again, I observe that you reserve a disdain for any lazy guy who gets saved only by grace through faith.
But I don't pick just Matt 25 and you and I have discussed this repeatedly. The Bible is filled with contradictory writings and ambiguous writings and some facts and lots of fantasy.
And again, I have to wonder how you can so consistently misrepresent my position.
If anyone is saved it will be solely through Grace. But Grace through Faith has absolutely no meaning or value or worth that I can see. And there are as many passages in the Bible that support my position as refute it. The Bible is simply a compendium of what humans wrote reflecting the era and mythos they lived in and experienced.
Works gain you nothing; they are a charge and a task that Jesus placed on his followers. Failure in those tasks can damn you but doing them gains you nothing. BUT, they do make this life better for others. It's all we can do.

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Message 338 of 531 (871290)
01-31-2020 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 337 by Phat
01-31-2020 11:16 AM


Just Do It!
Phat writes:
The Jesus whom the apologists say will come back may not come as soon as we need Him.
The only evidence available is what is written about Jesus in the Bible Phat and no where in any of it does it show Jesus ever solving our problems. The closest example might be the Loaves and Fishes parable but even there it is the disciples who distribute the food and gather up the left overs to feed more later.
The deplorable factor that defines the CCoI and the Apologists is that they all expect Jesus or God to make everything better.
The stories though repeatedly tell us to make everything better.

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Message 340 of 531 (871309)
01-31-2020 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Theodoric
01-31-2020 3:15 PM


Re: Cult
He is referring to the CCoI, the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Message 344 of 531 (871317)
01-31-2020 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by Phat
01-31-2020 4:09 PM


Re: Cult
Phat writes:
Pick your side now, jar.
Picked long ago Phat, it's the side that does not reduce GOD to merely Jeeves.

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Message 346 of 531 (871324)
01-31-2020 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Phat
01-31-2020 4:39 PM


Re: Cult
Phat writes:
Hypothetically, what would you do if reality proved that ultimately God was alive through the Holy Spirit, only a few stumbled upon this truth (either by accident or design) and the believers had a handicap of ignorance while the truly smart ones didn't allow themselves to believe in such a God?
Sheesh Phat. Why do you keep posting such silly, silly stuff.
If something is supported by sufficient evidence then I accept that it is supported.
Phat writes:
In other words, what if its not simply what we *do* but on how we treat each other and find a communion to relate to such a God? Or would you simply laugh in His face? Would we be judged on how we treated the planet and tried to preserve life for others? Would we be judged on how we reacted to money? Would we be judged based on how we responded to God as we understood Him?
Only the conmen and snake oil salesmen even try to market answers to such questions. Nobody knows Phat and no one alive will ever know.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 348 of 531 (871329)
01-31-2020 6:12 PM
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01-31-2020 5:07 PM


Re: Cult (jarstyle)
Phat writes:
Essentially, you believe that nobody can ever know God.
No Phat, I have said repeatedly that no one has ever expained how someone could know God and that all the evidence shows that people describe entirely different critters as being God.
Phat writes:
Your idea of belief centers on what you believe happens after you die.
No Phat, I believe that there is a GOD, creator of all seen and unseen and that I will be judged after I die.
Phat writes:
You believe that God is unknowable.
No Phat, I acknowledge that no one has ever explained how it might be possible to know God.
Phat writes:
All Christians who do not acknowledge your "obvious" logic are duped by conmen.
No Phat, those who buy the snake oil that directly contradicts what is actually written in the Bible or who make claims that cannot be verified are willingly being suckers.
Phat writes:
In reality, they are fooling themselves.
Final, you did get one correct.
Phat writes:
Believers have sufficient evidence based on experience.
Yet they do not ever present any evidence.
Edited by jar, : applin spallin

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Message 352 of 531 (871360)
02-01-2020 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 350 by Phat
02-01-2020 11:15 AM


Think Phat, think!
Phat writes:
I will then tell you whether I would consider them acceptable.
Neither truth or reality care whether or not you find them acceptable.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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Message 355 of 531 (871378)
02-01-2020 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Phat
02-01-2020 2:56 PM


Re: Think Phat, think!
Phat writes:
Neither truth nor reality is represented by anyone other than those involved.
WHAT?
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever Phat. It does not even rise to the level of word salad.

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Message 358 of 531 (871385)
02-01-2020 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by Phat
02-01-2020 5:06 PM


Re: Think Phat, think!
Phat writes:
The Bill basically can't get paid without upending the entire financial system.
There are two ways the bill can be paid Phat, only one of those two ways is financial. The other way and the way it seems the US desires is through pain and suffering.
But INMP!

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Message 360 of 531 (871403)
02-02-2020 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 359 by Phat
02-02-2020 3:45 AM


Re: Think Phat, think!
Phat writes:
Oh yes, it is, or it will be when your money becomes as inflated and worthless as everyone else. You too will have to suffer a bit, but you have prepared better than most.
No Phat, I'm already well past the life expectancy of a male in the US so INMP.
But as long as you and those like you continue to choose the pain option over the financial one, that will be how the bill gets paid.
Phat writes:
I reason that he should because He can and because the sins of our fathers were and are not our fault.
That's a comforting fantasy, isn't it?

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Message 369 of 531 (871428)
02-02-2020 2:33 PM
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02-02-2020 2:15 PM


God can only exist as long as there is a believer!
Phat writes:
A God is "likely" only if that god is useful to you.
Which is why Gods are all created by believers.

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Message 416 of 531 (871599)
02-06-2020 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 415 by ringo
02-06-2020 10:51 AM


Re: Whining for A Free pass
ringo writes:
You are not racist if you are powerless.
Nonsense. You can be a helpless racist when powerless. But racism itself is not a problem rather it is behavior regardless of the cause that is the issue. Racism is only an issue when it extends to acts and those acts are wrong regardless of motivation.

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Message 422 of 531 (871606)
02-06-2020 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by ringo
02-06-2020 11:07 AM


Re: Whining for A Free pass
ringo writes:
You contradict yourself. You can not have racist behavior without power.
Nonsense. It is simply that racist behavior by the powerless is annoying at worst. But it is not racism that is the issue but behavior and behavior is always judged across a wide spectrum of tolerance.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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Message 433 of 531 (871638)
02-07-2020 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 430 by Phat
02-07-2020 11:04 AM


Re: Christianity Was Originally A Minority Belief
Phat writes:
Saul of Tarsus, a Roman citizen from the Majority power culture at that time, brought the religion into the mainstream. The message was still in the context of a minority religion struggling for identity.
Hardly Phat. Christianity never even got close to mainstream until Constantine.

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Message 439 of 531 (871650)
02-07-2020 4:59 PM
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02-07-2020 4:52 PM


Re: Christianity Was Originally A Minority Belief
I'm sorry but the whole idea that the existence of martyrs adds any evidence of validity of some idea is simply stupid. The very idea to market such crap is simply evidence that the audience is assumed to be stupid.

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