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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith, it really does not much matter if you think a law is crap. It is still the LAW and we once were a Nation Under Law. Yes, rogue Presidents have gone off on their own, even breaking US law, Ronald Reagan is a great example.
BUT that still does not mean that even a President is Above The Law. Basics Faith, learn the basics.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
JonF writes: We know you couldn't name an instance to save your life. You're the queen of unsupportable declarations. Me Teach. Pick ME teach. I know the answer....
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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There are many more military people who support what Trump did than oppose him. Highly doubtful, especially among the leadership who realize all too well how much Trump has screwed the pooch on this one, possibly only surpassed by his betrayal of our Kurdish allies in Syria. We also know that Trump's approval by the military is dropping in large part because of his misuse of the military and his crass disrespect for the military, veterans, and Gold Star families. For example, the 17 Dec 2019 issue of Military Times reports on polls in Half of active-duty service members are unhappy with Trump, new Military Times poll shows. Trump's low marks are a continuation of his steady decline since 2016. BTW, what's your source? I assume your standard source: the liies from right-wing media. Here are some of the figures from the article's charts:
HOW FAVORABLE OR UNFAVORABLE IS YOUR VIEW OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP?
24.3% Very Favorable 17.3% Favorable 45.1% Very Unfavorable 4.8% Unfavorable 8.5% Neutral Demographic Breakdown of Which Groups View Trump Favorably
46% of White Non-Hispanic 43% of Enlisted 43% of Male 33% of Officers 29% of Non-White 28% of Female Since you will not read that article (for fear of learning something), here are some excerpts:
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Ah say "So, it's looking that Pence would be a better President".
Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : So, how do you spell "I" in a southern accent?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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Trump ran to serve America, he loves America, everything he does is for America. And he's done so to his own detriment. Of course he loves America... and Hitler loved Germany... Putin loves Russia. Kim Jong-Un loves North Korea... What kind of metric is blind patriotism alone? Trump serves himself. You are hopelessly deluded and naive to believe that his run for office was motivated by selfless civic duty, lol, get serious. Trump ran because he is a dyed-in-the-wool megalomaniac with a raging case of narcissistic personality disorder. He covets almighty mammon (his real god), he craves power, and desperately needs to be the center of attention (Twitter rants like a teenage girl). How, Faith? How is it possible for you to be this blind to such an obvious, self-serving sycophant? Its almost too much to believe. As to Pence, yes, he at least is an actual professing Christian... not that its any better, but I would at least think that you would be able to distinguish the difference between the two. You see things the way you want to see them, not as they actually are. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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There are many more military people who support what Trump did than oppose him. There are wimpy conservatives too, so what. Being scared of what Iran could do to us is about as wimpy stupid as you can get. Thank god you don't have your finger on the nuclear button... the world would have been vaporized 12,000 times over by now. Its not what Iran can do to us, its what it does to the US image worldwide and how much support we can muster because of it. I'll be perfectly honest with you. Part of me was like fuck that guy, fuck the Quds forces, fuck the Ayatollah, fuck Iran. Why? Because they've been mindlessly chanting "Death to America" for four decades now and have recently been making some very bold moves that practically begged for an outcome like this. Part of me thinks its nice to be able to demonstrate to the naysayers that the US can target anyone, at anytime.... do NOT fuck with us. That's my ego getting in the way. The other side of me, the more rational part of me, says this is a dangerous gambit. First of all, the president did not seek congressional authority. Instead he used war powers under the pretense that "an attack was imminent." Has anyone seen any evidence to support this unsubstantiated claim? What the president authorized was an act of war. There's just no other way to put it. Now it gives Iran, of all fucking places, the moral high ground to launch a counter-assault AND have the rest of the planet say, "Well, shit, they're justified." Its not that the US is wimpy because of what Iran can or can't do... do you understand that Iran is supported by China and Russia? Talk to me about wimpy during your nuclear winter -- you're starving to death, freezing to death, because the Russian military just took out the Eastern seaboard and you have no electricity, there's looting and panic in the streets. Oh, you can't tell me about it because what's "the internet?" A thing of the past as we plunge headlong back into the Stone Age. All that assuming you survive the actual blast, dear. Oh, but we got those Red bastards back... they're dying too. Well, hoorah for all us!!! Now the whole planet is gonna die, not just us. We sure showed them!!! This is a dangerous game we're playing... how short our memories are when it comes to world wars and their ineffable horrors. You don't get it. But you just might find out with bravado like that. Lastly, this goon is talking about attacking "cultural sites" in Iran.... lol, what??? Yeah, don't attack military compounds or critical infrastructure... lets go after mosques and piss off a billion Muslims. Brilliant strategy. We'll for sure have the moral high ground then. Use your fucking brain!!!! "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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Ah say "So, it's looking that Pence would be a better President". Depends on what you mean by "better". Pence would most certainly be far more competent (or at least closer to adequate) than Trump as a public official and even just as a human (though only because we're comparing him to Trump. So in the sense that Pence would be far less likely to blunder us into a massive war out of sheer shtupidity, ignrance, greed, and mental illness, then, yes, Pence would be a better President than Trump. But at the same time, if Pence has intentions to do evil, then his greater competence would enable him to do much more damage than Trump, whose administration has been called "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" for good reasons. It was like the comparison made in the 2016 GOP Primaries between Trump who, like a bull in a china shop, would destroy government and the Constitution out of sheer shtupid blundering (as we have witnessed over the past three years), whereas Cruz would know exactly where to plant the charges to demolish the whole thing. Since most of the harm that Trump has done has been at the behest of those close to him, employing him as a "useful ID10T", Pence has no doubt planted some of those evil seeds in Trump's ear. But which ones? I find it hard to tell, though it's clear that it has happened. So then a President Pence would be far worse than Trump, because he wouldn't have to count on a "f**king morron" to do his evil deeds and foul it all up, but rather he could do those deeds himself and ensure that they get done.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
If you love ice cream, is it about what you can do for ice cream or what ice cream can do for you?
Of course he loves America... and Hitler loved Germany... Putin loves Russia. Kim Jong-Un loves North Korea... Hyroglyphx writes:
I would call Trump an "accidental patriot". He happened to be born in a country that lets him plunder and pillage as a capitalist. If he had been born in Soviet Russia he might have been able to plunder and pillage as a Communist. A plunderer and pillager can "love" any country. What kind of metric is blind patriotism alone?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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I would call Trump an "accidental patriot". He happened to be born in a country that lets him plunder and pillage as a capitalist. If he had been born in Soviet Russia he might have been able to plunder and pillage as a Communist. A plunderer and pillager can "love" any country. Precisely. I see Trump loving America the same way a parasite loves its host."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I would call Trump an "accidental patriot". He happened to be born in a country that lets him plunder and pillage as a capitalist. If he had been born in Soviet Russia he might have been able to plunder and pillage as a Communist. A plunderer and pillager can "love" any country.
Precisely. I see Trump loving America the same way a parasite loves its host. So you guys despise the American Dream by which anybody can get rich, become a big success and whatnot. You have no reason whatever to say such things about Trump, none. ALL his supporters know he is a worker on behalf of traditional America. Perhaps his vicious detractors are merely envious? That's what drives the Left, nothing but envy. The rich in America have for the most part made it because of the American Dream, fair and square. And most of them are very generous givers too. Instead of tearing them down you should be taking them as role models. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Instead of tearing them down you should be taking them as role models. Like the guys at Boeing, prepared to sacrifice innocent peoples' safety and lives for a relatively modest decrease in cost and increase in profit ? No thanks - I'll stay a decent human being, thank you.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh a MASTER of deceitful rhetoric. You guys are SO good at that.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Deceitful how for goodness' sake ? You described these guys as role models - I pointed out the folly of that by reference to a real life example - in what way is that deceitful ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I had good people in mind so you pick out some you accuse of being bad and make them stand for the whole group. That's deceitful.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Nope - you bunched all of the rich and successful together and labelled them role models - you didn't differentiate, so I pointed out one example of a bunch of rich, entitled assholes.
There are definitely some good rich people, but I am not going to take someone as a role model, just based on their wealth. I bump into pretty rich people a lot in my job. Purely anecdotally, I would say 25% are good people or average - and 75% assholes. And generally, the asshole percentage increases as the wealth does.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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