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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I believe polls close at 10 PM UK time. Exit polling should provide some insight after that. Conservatives still poll for a majority, although it is narrower than earlier polls. And the outcome will of course determine Brexit moving forward.
I think the worst scenario at this stage would be any kind of hung parliament. Since that will likely drag things out far longer. Then again, it could lead to the possibility of another referendum. Time will tell.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
So how long before Britain abandons the family? I think the more pertinent question is how long will Jeremy Corbyn last as leader of the Labour party.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Conservatives: 364 Seats
Labour: 203 Seats SNP: 48 Seats Lib Dems: 11 DUP: 8 Other: 15 Conservatives now have a comfortable majority to push their agenda. I think this pretty much settles the near term. Brexit will happen in January and it will likely be Boris' deal. Subsequent to that, we shall see. I think the one saving grace here is that I believe Boris will likely realize that the next few years are going to define his tenure as PM. As such, I am guessing he will likely work towards a more agreeable break from the EU and not push for a No Deal. Despite his bravado, I would think (hope) that he is pragmatic enough to realize that a No Deal would damage the economy and he would take blame for that.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
While Boris and the Conservatives ended up with a big majority, it can't be overlooked that the SNP also had a very good night. It looks like discussions are already occurring in Scotland regarding another potential referendum regarding Scotland leaving the UK.
Is that likely at this stage? I believe legally, that would need to be approved by parliament and I think Boris has already stated he would say no. Would the SNP potentially try and pull a Catalonia and just put forth a referendum without parliamentary approval?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
I can't see Nicola Sturgeon going on the run like Carles Puigemont. Might have been entertaining to see her in Braveheart paint.
Today, Boris Johnson is pushing forward with legistlation to make it illegal to extend the transition period, thus making a hard brexit or "crash out" more likely. No surprise there. That was one of the first things I had assumed he would do if he got his majority. The question now is if he will use that as leverage for additional discussions with the EU. Potentially asking for more concessions on his deal.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
It wouldn't be Brexit without a Jonathan Pie rant.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Brexit: MPs back Boris Johnson's plan to leave EU on 31 January - BBC News No surprise considering the Conservative majority.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Brexit: European Parliament overwhelmingly backs terms of UK's exit - BBC News Appears the stage is now set and the UK will officially leave the EU on Friday, January 31st. It's been quite the ride to get here and there are still details of trade agreements that need to be made. But the exit is now certain. Will be interesting to see how this affects both the UK and EU in the coming years.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Regardless of the referendum result, I am grateful that Brexit introduced me to Jonathan Pie.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
The EU and UK have reached a post-Brexit trade deal, ending months of disagreements over fishing rights and future business rules. At a Downing Street press conference, Boris Johnson said: "We have taken back control of our laws and our destiny." The prime minister added that although arguments had been "fierce" it was a "good deal for the whole of Europe", driving jobs and prosperity. EU chief Ursula von der Leyen said it was a "fair and balanced" deal. Brexit: Boris Johnson hails free trade deal with EU - BBC News Don't know the details, but at least a deal is in place.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Interestingly, I heard that one of the biggest stickler points was the fishing details. The UK was more resistant to EU boats fishing in or near their territorial waters. Looks like they were eventually able to get some kind of compromise.
And I honestly had no doubts the border with Ireland would stay open. There is so much at stake there, that both sides probably wanted to ensure that remained stable. Incidentally, I started this Brexit thread in June of 2016. Hard to believe it is still alive in December of 2020. Guess the talking heads that continued to say Brexit would be easy were a tad off the mark.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Scottish National Party promise independence referendum after election win | CNN
quote: Well. Here we go again...
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Now that Boris is out, for the EVC folks in the UK, what are your thoughts on the new PM that was just announced? Liv Truss:
Liz Truss: What sort of prime minister will she be? - BBC News
quote: Don't know anything about this person, so curious as to other people's thoughts on the matter.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Wow. The UK is really going through Prime Ministers.
quote: Liz Truss resigns as UK prime minister - BBC News The recent scare for the UK economy was pretty alarming as well, with the pound going into freefall for a time. I am curious who will now step up to take the reigns.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
It wouldn't be a case of political turmoil without some commentary from Johnathan Pie:
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