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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It's a simple question, but I remember when republicans proudly proclaimed
"Better Dead than Red" So when did Republicans learn to hate Democrats more than Russia? Enjoy Edited by Admin, : Fix spelling error in title, "Democrates" => "Democrats"by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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That's a big fat Democrat lle, llke the whole "Russia collusion" lle which is false about Trump but true about Hillary. Since the Dems are lying all the time about these things and making it all up they deserve to be hated Thanks for making my point, Faith. Can you tell me when exactly you started hating democrats? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Of course I can and already did: When they started lYining about the Ruissian collusion as I said.r I don't believe you. I think you started earlier than than. You have always been on the attack on liberals and democrats for as long as I can remember. Democrats had good cause to suspect collusion, with Russian hacking the election (yes they did) and with clandestine meetings between Baby Don and Russians, and with Donny carrying on with proposal to build tower in Moscow during election. Donny also asked Russia publicly in a rally to hack the rest of Hillary's emails ... which they did. There is also the matter of giving Russians democrat voting lists. It seems that Mueller could not find evidence of collusion because the Trump campaign was incompetent, not because they didn't want to.
quote: Russia did interfere in the election. They will interfere in the next one, and instead of working to prevent that the republicans have done nothing and blocked legislation that would help. Conclusion: republicans want Russia to interfere in 2020 to help them steal another election. The party that lies the most is the GOP. One only has to look and the GOP lies during the hearings, repeating Russian propaganda when it has been discredited. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No they did not have good cause. It was all a setup Writing on borrowee laptop, more later What nonsense. The Mueller report documented numerous cases of Russian interference. And documented several cases of questionable actions by Trump/minions. And documented several cases of obstruction of justice. These are facts that you can confirm by reading the report (and not some biased filtered version).
quote: Note: Each Chapter and subchapter can be individually downloaded or viewed online if you go to the volume links. Facts, not conspiracy theory fantasy pushed by GOP apologists and deniers. Read them, heed them, as you wish, but don't ignore them or dismiss them or you lose the argument. Enjoy Edited by Admin, : Fix quote at top of message, the text had somehow been included twice.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Thanks for again proving my point:
Message 19: These are facts that you can confirm by reading the report (and not some biased filtered version). (many links to different parts of the report) Each Chapter and subchapter can be individually downloaded or viewed online if you go to the volume links. Facts, not conspiracy theory fantasy pushed by GOP apologists and deniers. Read them, heed them, as you wish, but don't ignore them or dismiss them or you lose the argument. Evidently you didn't bother to read the report.
The Mueller report documented numerous cases of Russian interference. BUT NO INVOLVEMENT BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. Wrong. Mueller said insufficient evidence of conspiracy to charge them but enough that he couldn't clear them either. He left that to congress to pursue ... which brings us to the impeachment hearings and the current discussion of whether or not to include information from the Mueller report in the charges. See next for more.
And documented several cases of questionable actions by Trump/minions. You START with "questionable actions" looking for evidence of actual wrongdoing that can be criminally charged. THEY FOUND NOTHING TO CHARGE HIM WITH, WHICH IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM MEANS HE WASW FOUND "NOT GUILTY." EXONERATED. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE? No, he was not exonerated of conspiracy, Mueller specifically said that he could NOT exonerate them. What's wrong with us is that we look at evidence, what is actually said/written. Not what right wing echo chambers make up and say. Here's part of the report you didn't read:
quote: Note that that is 106 pages of documents of regarding contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign. There were a lot of them, and a lot of them were questionable for a political campaign. For instance, Baby Don meeting with Russian in the Trump Tower and saying that if the Russians had dirt on Hillary that they were interested. Not evidence of conspiracy per se but also not exonerating him of working with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary for campaign purposes. Kind of sounds like what he wanted from Ukraine about Biden ...
And documented several cases of obstruction of justice. IF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE HAD BEEN FOUND THEY WOULD HAVE LISTED IT AS STARR LISTED CLINTON'S FELONIES, AS A CRIME HE COULD BE CHARGED WI6TH. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED ANY MORE TO IMPEACH HIM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED THE BOGUSWHISTLEBLOWER" FIASCO. THEY FOUND NO OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE? Again they found many instances of obstruction of justice -- volume II which you haven't read is all about the instances of obstruction of justice. Mueller didn't indict him because he was operating on the understanding that he couldn't indict a sitting president, so he provided the information for the Congress to determine if there were impeachable offenses ... which again brings us to the impeachment hearings and the current discussion of whether or not to include information from the Mueller report in the charges. Again from the Mueller report that you haven't read, as detailed in Message 19:
Message 19: quote: Note: Each Chapter and subchapter can be individually downloaded or viewed online if you go to the volume links. Each one of those 12 instances listed under "Factual Results of the Obstruction Investigation" are instances of obstruction of justice. Documented just as they were for Clinton in the Starr report.
are facts... WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE? What's wrong with us is that we look at the actual evidence, what is actually said/written. Not what right wing echo chambers make up and say, and certainly not what prevaricating Trump says. Curiously, I compare Trump to Nixon ... and Trump is worse, and I compare Trump to Clinton ... and Trump is worse. If their offenses warranted impeachment then so does Trump. But, again, you'll deny and ignore ... because you can't handle the truth. So Democrats are not lying about the Mueller Report -- you have been shown to be in error on this. So no, you do not hate Democrats for lying about the Mueller Report. Facts aren't lies. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... If you have "insufficient evidence ...to charge" ANYTHING, that means you've found the defendant NOT GUILTY. That is how our legal system works. ... So Al Capone was innocent until he was charged with tax evasion. No murders or mob hustling at all, just a mistake on his tax form. Fascinating.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... The Ukrainians DID interfere in the election for Hillary, it's not propaganda. ... It is Russian propaganda, every intelligence organization in the free world agrees that it is Russian propaganda and that there was NO interference in the election from Ukraine. Brits, French, Australian, etc concur. Also we now have the useful conclusion from AG Barrs little waste of time investigation into the FBI, contacting foreign intelligence and going through our own intelligence service, that there was no plot on the FBI to investigate Trump, just his paranoia. That same paranoia that leads him to think that an individual saying an individual opinion of Trump during the election that he was a lousy candidate means that the whole of Ukraine was plotting to undermine his campaign. Of course it had nothing to do with Trump saying that the Crimea should belong to Russia instead of Ukraine like the rest of the world thought. There is no cloudstrike either. That's a #rightwingnutjob conspiracy fantasy.
Russia interefered also. As in also Saudi Arabia, and China, more of Trumps friends in high places. Because it's okay if they do it on his behalf but an evil plot if it's against him. Enjoy by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Besides admitting that Trump had clearly said he did not want a quid pro quo, all he wanted was for Zelensky to do the right thing, SONDLAND ALSO SAID HE "PRESUMED" IT, HE DID NOT KNOW IT, HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT, HE "PRESUMED" IT. This is worse than hearsay, he made it up entirely in his own head and admitted it under interrogation. Again, not completely true. After the overheard phone call from Sondland to Trump he told the aide that Trump was only interested in "the big things" ... the aide asked if that meant the Ukraine because a lot of big things were happening there with the war, and Sondland said "No, big things like the Biden investigation" ... Here's from Fox2now (no liberal bias):
quote: What Holmes heard from Trump and from Sondland is evidence. This is also covered by this youtube excerpt of just the Democrat Counsel's questioning of Sondland, specifically starting at t=9m
at 16:30 he describes it as quid pro quo. Note that Sondland was not allowed to reference his emails and phone logs by the Secretary of State, so he is going solely on his memory and the evidence from others. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Logical deductions are not worse than hearsay. We KNOW there is a link from Trump to Giulliani from a number of sources, including his written statement in the phone call letter. We know that he told others to "talk to Rudy" when the subject of releasing the aid came up. Including Sondland and Taylor and Zelenski. We KNOW that Rudy told Sondland that both the white house meeting and aid release were predicated on public announcement by Zelenski to initiate an investigation into Biden and 2016 interference, ie - "the deliverables" We KNOW that the claim that it was pending an investigation into corruption is bogus because:
When you have two entirely different, contradictory "excuses" for holding the aid and then having the aid suddenly released without ceremony and without either "excuse" being met before the aid was suddenly released with no explanation other than the House had initiated a hearing on the matter and that Trumpty was caught with his tiny hand in the cookie jar ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots. It's what's called Circumstantial Evidence, rather than second hand anecdotal evidence (as republicans keep trying to say)
quote: The multiple attempts by Trump to block investigations into Russian interference cited in the Mueller report and his directive to State Department Officials and White House aides to ignore lawful subpoenas are also circumstantial evidence of his guilt. It's called cover-up, and cover-up is what got Nixon impeached. We have means, motive and opportunity. We also KNOW that no White House meeting was held either (just an aside during a meeting at the UN that both attended). ‘No Pressure,’ Trump Insists, While Sitting With Ukraine’s Zelensky at U.N. – Rolling Stone We also KNOW that a scheduled interview between Zelenski and CNN was cancelled by Zelenski after the news of the House investigation broke. Zelensky Was Set To Announce Biden Probe On CNN, Then Congress Pressed For Aid: Report | HuffPost Latest News CNN host Fareed Zakaria was set to interview Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky until scandal took shape | CNN Politics
quote: So we know that both "deliverables" had been set up, but they ended when the news of the House investigation broke. Now Dems could ask those Ukraine aides to testify if they wanted more evidence. Presumably they would also link Rudy in the plot. Curiously, I have no problem with stepping back a bit and getting some subpoenas tested in court and getting some Ukrainians to testify, and not just Parnas ... Lev Parnas Helped Rep. Devin Nunes’ Investigations Get both sides of the story. And it would be interesting to get Nunes to testify under oath about his "investigation" that he tried to push onto Dr Fiona Hill. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : ...by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Here is the timeline, and Obama did give aid to Ukraine. Now add the other "deliverable" -- the public announcement by Zelenski on CNN that Ukraine is opening an investigation into Biden, cloudstrike and Ukraine interference in the 2016 election.
quote: Again, cancelled with no reason given and the only connection is the announced investigation into the whistleblower report. Trumpty caught with his tiny hands in the cookie jar and crumbs on his jacket. and like a child, saying "I didn't do it" ... with the evidence swirling around him. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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