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Author Topic:   When did Republicans learn to hate Democrats more than Russia?
Faith 
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Message 2 of 68 (867636)
11-29-2019 5:58 PM
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11-29-2019 5:44 PM


That's a big fat Democrat lle, llke the whole "Russia collusion" lle which is false about Trump but true about Hillary. Since the Dems are lying all the time about these things and making it all up they deserve to be hated
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Message 10 of 68 (867665)
11-30-2019 2:36 PM
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11-30-2019 11:00 AM


Of course I can and already did: When they started lYining about the Ruissian collusion as I said.r

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Message 11 of 68 (867666)
11-30-2019 2:37 PM
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11-30-2019 10:59 AM


Not as good as you and all the other lefties

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Message 12 of 68 (867667)
11-30-2019 2:39 PM
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11-30-2019 10:19 AM


Re: Quick, Sherman, to the Wayback Machine!
The Republicans hate the insane anti-American policies of the letf

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Message 16 of 68 (867681)
12-01-2019 11:22 AM
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12-01-2019 8:26 AM


No they did not have good cause. It was all a setup Writing on borrowee laptop, more later
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Message 21 of 68 (867728)
12-02-2019 11:47 AM
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12-01-2019 1:29 PM


The Mueller report documented numerous cases of Russian interference.
BUT NO INVOLVEMENT BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
And documented several cases of questionable actions by Trump/minions.
You START with "questionable actions" looking for evidence of actual wrongdoing that can be criminally charged. THEY FOUND NOTHING TO CHARGE HIM WITH, WHICH IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM MEANS HE WASW FOUND "NOT GUILTY." EXONERATED. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?
And documented several cases of obstruction of justice.
IF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE HAD BEEN FOUND THEY WOULD HAVE LISTED IT AS STARR LISTED CLINTON'S FELONIES, AS A CRIME HE COULD BE CHARGED WI6TH. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED ANY MORE TO IMPEACH HIM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED THE BOGUS
WHISTLEBLOWER" FIASCO. THEY FOUND NO OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?
are facts...
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?

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Faith 
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Message 31 of 68 (867862)
12-04-2019 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by RAZD
12-02-2019 1:38 PM


Weasel words, not justice
Mueller said insufficient evidence of conspiracy to charge them but enough that he couldn't clear them either.
Yes that is what it said.
And it is Weasel Talk
It is a complete contradiction of American legal principles
Trial or no trial this is weasel talk that overturns our legal standards.
If you have "insufficient evidence ...to charge" ANYTHING, that means you've found the defendant NOT GUILTY. That is how our legal system works. We don't parse the evidence between "some" and "enough," if you have insufficient evidence that is as good as having none in the eyes of the law.
And the idea that you had SOME evidence that prevents you from clearing the defendant is a massive corruption of our legal system, something apparently made up only for Trump. This is a disgusting travesty, as is this "impeachment" proceeding in the House. There is NO evidence, NONE, it's all a fantasy they intend to push through anyway. .
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Message 34 of 68 (867872)
12-04-2019 1:45 PM
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12-04-2019 1:17 PM


Support Russian interests?. They sent aid for military defense against Russia to Ukraine. What Russian interests? What Russian propaganda? The Ukrainians DID interfere in the election for Hillary, it's not propaganda. Russia interefered also.
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Faith 
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Message 35 of 68 (867876)
12-04-2019 1:51 PM
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12-04-2019 1:45 PM


Re: Weasel words, not justice
Unbelievable how you deny the obvious and demand evidence for the obvious, for historical fact. Unbelievable that we've sunk this low.l
Oh "testimony" under oath" indeed. Sure, tons of hearsay two and three times removed, and evidence that actually supports the defense though it is denied.

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Message 38 of 68 (867882)
12-04-2019 2:57 PM
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12-04-2019 2:04 PM


Re: Weasel words, not justice
Sondland clearly said Trump denied wanting a quid pro quo in so many words. So much for his evidence for impeachment.
The rest is all hearsay. No matter how "consistent" it's all hearsay.
And then there is the unidentified "whistleblower" whose identity we all know although they are protecting it despite the fact that it violates the principle that a defendant has the right to confront witnesses against him. This is such a travesty of justice how can any of you even dare to try to defend it?
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Message 42 of 68 (867905)
12-04-2019 6:07 PM
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12-04-2019 3:31 PM


Re: Weasel words, not justice
Sondland said :
Was there a quid pro quo?...The answer is yes.
Besides admitting that Trump had clearly said he did not want a quid pro quo, all he wanted was for Zelensky to do the right thing, SONDLAND ALSO SAID HE "PRESUMED" IT, HE DID NOT KNOW IT, HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT, HE "PRESUMED" IT. This is worse than hearsay, he made it up entirely in his own head and admitted it under interrogation.

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Faith 
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Message 44 of 68 (867914)
12-04-2019 6:57 PM
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12-04-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Weasel words, not justice
Trump only said that after he was caught. It was clearly an attempt to cover his own butt.
We on the Right take it as simple truth, and since there is no evidence whatever of a quid pro quo our position seems the valid one. Trump wanted only, all along, from the beginning, it's what he actually said in the phone call, that Zelensky would look into the corruptions in his own country that involved interference in our elections. He later added they should look into the allegations concerning Biden's quid pro quo to fire a prosecutor who was looking into the company where his son worked, or he'd withhold billions in aid. Perfectly legitimate requests of the Ukraining President by the American President.
That's just the usual reversal of the truth we on the Right have come to expect of the Left, ANYTHING to slam Trump; sorry but not guying it.
MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT.
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Faith 
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Message 46 of 68 (867923)
12-05-2019 2:22 AM
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12-04-2019 7:09 PM


Re: Weasel words, not justice
MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT.
Oh, it will all come out! After all Trump's frantic attempts to obstruct the investigations have been thwarted.
Which in reality are his legitimate reactions to being endlessly harassed and falsely accused for political reasons since before he took office. I suppose they may very well thwart his legitimate attempts to act as a President is supposed to act with a foreign leader, by redefining it as criminal, and thwart his attempts to defend himself against this witch hunt in his own way.
But I'm glad to see the House Republicans rising to the task of bringing out the truth, in some cases even rather heroically.
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Message 49 of 68 (867934)
12-05-2019 5:34 AM
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Re: Weasel words, not justice
He IS completely open and transparent. Nothing you are saying about his supposedly hiding things is true. He's all out there. His taxes have nothing to do with the impeachment, they are his own business. Why are they needed? Because the evidence they have to impeach him on is a big zero so they think they'll find something in his taxes. What they'll find is small things they don't understand they can twist into something criminal, just the way they've been inventing this whole witchhunt from the beginning. He's hiding nothing, he's obstructing nothing. But the Constitution is being twisted and distorted, the laws are being twisted and distorted, opinion is being accepted as evidence, "witnesses" are giving only hearsay and opinion, or mere "presumption" in the case of Sondwhatshisname, the whistleblower isn't qualified to be a whistleblower and he's a Democrat who hates Trump and hasw worked for Biden and Schiff was advising him although he claims not even to know who he is. Protesting his identity is an egregious violation of the principle of allowing the accused to confront his accuser. All sorts of principles of this sort, due process, are denied this President. Nothing Trump says is taken for true. He says he doesn't want a quid pro quo and he is accused of lying about that. There is nothing the man can do to defend himself, the cards are stacked against him, this is political corruption, denial of justice, to an unprecedented degree, and apparently the distortions are so deep and embedded nobody on your side can see them.
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Message 51 of 68 (867936)
12-05-2019 5:59 AM
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Unfortunatly I don't know the true story in order to answer you but I do know that Obama gave them NO aid whatever.

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