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ringo
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Message 11 of 15 (866980)
11-18-2019 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
11-18-2019 1:57 AM


Re: Unevidenced Beliefs
Phat writes:
Perhaps a better name for this discussion is Beliefs Unevidenced: Still Valid?
All beliefs are unevidenced. That's what makes them beliefs.
The problem with claiming that your beliefs are valid is that all beliefs are equally valid (zero evidence = zero evidence, regardless of the context). And you don't like that either.
Phat writes:
To be honest, if some evil skeptic tied me up and forced me to watch hours and hours of supposed evidence showing supernatural manifestations to be false, it would crush my soul.
Since the soul doesn't exist, no harm, no foul.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 13 of 15 (867016)
11-19-2019 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
11-19-2019 12:16 AM


Re: Unevidenced Beliefs
Phat writes:
well there is no evidence there either.
That's the point. If there's no evidence for Zeus, you conclude that Zeus doesn't exist. If there's no evidence for unicorns, you conclude that unicorns don't exist. If there's no evidence for magic beans, you conclude that magic beans don't exist.
Phat writes:
You really need to quit clinging to evidence as your only standard.
That would be crazy. It's the standard YOU use for almost everything.
Phat writes:
You will never find enough.
If there isn't any, I won't find "enough". Neither will you. See above.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 15 of 15 (867023)
11-19-2019 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by 1.61803
11-19-2019 11:04 AM


Re: Unevidenced Beliefs
~1.6 writes:
Maybe a question of symantics but some beliefs are evidenced hence why it is reasonable to believe them. We do not tend to go through our lives personally confirming everything we hear rather than take some things as belief. Depending on the confidence one has in the source we can believe some things who's evidence has been verified by others.
I thought somebody might bring that up. It's a valid point, which is why I would use words like "trust" or "confidence" in those cases. I trust a bridge not to collapse. I'm confident that my pension checks will continue to arrive.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...."
-- Rudyard Kipling

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