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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 308 (866414)
11-10-2019 6:33 PM
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11-10-2019 5:32 PM


Seems Faith agrees with Prager's hate
I find it quite telling that you have made no real attempt to show Prager is not a racist, does not spout hate against people of islam, lgbqt people and women.
Either you have nothing to defend him with or you feel he does not need defending and agree with the vile hatred he spews.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 32 of 308 (866415)
11-10-2019 7:06 PM
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11-10-2019 4:21 PM


Re: Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
According to Wikipedia:
Gorka was born in the United Kingdom to Hungarian parents, lived in Hungary from 1992 to 2008, and in 2012 became a naturalized American citizen.
According to Wikipedia, the Communists lost the first free elections in 1990, so Gorka would seem to not have had much direct experience with Communism.
Although it's possible that he learned about it through his relatives relating their experiences.

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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 308 (866419)
11-10-2019 9:36 PM
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11-10-2019 7:06 PM


Re: Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
He is a known liar, charlatan and grifter.
Sebastian Gorka: 5 Fast Facts You Need to

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Theodoric
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Message 34 of 308 (866420)
11-10-2019 10:06 PM


More on Gorka the Nazi
Yes Faith. All evidence shows he is a Nazi.
quote:
research by the Forward has revealed that Gorka’s use of a special lower-case v. insignia in his signature, which the Vitzi Rend allows only sworn members to use, goes back much further than previously known.
In articles he published in 1998, when he was 28 years old, and then in 1999, Gorka signed his name Sebestyn L. v. Gorka, using the Hungarian honorific abbreviation for Vitez, which is reserved exclusively for sworn members of the Vitzi Rend order.
Sebastian Gorka Ties To Nazi Allies Stretch Decades
What I find interesting is that Faith is willing to put aside her loathing for Catholics as long as the Catholic advocates the same hate she does. I guess morals are fungible to her.
Seb is a deeply committed Catholic.
quote:
Gorka’s ideas about radical Islam began with his father’s fight against the communists in his native Hungary and his deep Catholic faith.
The original article is behind the WaPo paywall so I linked to this analysis of the article. There is a link to the original article.
https://www.getreligion.org/...-on-islam-a-bit-too-realistic
In case that is not enough evidence of his catholicism.
quote:
Gorka married Pennsylvania native Katharine Fairfax Cornell on July 6, 1996, in St. Michael's Roman Catholic Church, Sopron, Hungary
Sebastian Gorka - Wikipedia
This will be an important thing to keep in mind when Faith attacks catholics.
Edited by Admin, : Fix links to have proper titles. The Get Religion link didn't get a title because that site has blocked access from EvC Forum.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 35 of 308 (866425)
11-11-2019 5:26 AM
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11-10-2019 10:06 PM


Re: More on Gorka the Nazi
I DON'T "ATTACK CATHOLICS" I ATTACK THE PAPACY AND THE PAGAN DOCTRINES OF THE RCC, AND YOU KNOW IT.l I CONSIDER ORDINARY CATHOLICS TO BE VICTIMS OF THEIR LEADERSHIP.
AND GORKA IS A SOLID CONSERVATIVE.
AND YOU ARE PROVING PRAGER RIGHT.
MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT SOON.
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Message 36 of 308 (866426)
11-11-2019 5:34 AM
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11-10-2019 6:33 PM


Re: Seems Faith agrees with Prager's hate
I'M NOT GOING TO DEFEND A BLAMELESS MAN I'VE READ AND HEARD FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES FROM THE LIKES YOU YOU WHO ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS THE LEFT DOES, CALL PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE ALL THOSE FOUL NAMES AS AN INTIMIDATION TACTIC, THE STRATEGY OF COMMUNISM AND FASCISM BOTH, HAVING NO PLACE IN OUR REPUBLIC. iT IS YOU WHO SPEW VILE HATRED, NOT PRAGER. THE LEFT IS THE MOST EVIL THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY. AS PRAGER SAYS IT IS THE ENEMY OF LIBERALISM, MORE THAN CONSERVATIVES ARE. WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHICH IS WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING, OUGHT TO BE PROSECUTED AS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
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Message 37 of 308 (866428)
11-11-2019 8:32 AM
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11-10-2019 4:04 PM


Re: Nice hate piece hit job on liberalism
I thought Prager did a pretty good job of showing some of the threats. ...
The politics of fear was invented by the right wing to mold gullible people to their party.
... I'd add the beating up of a guy right after the election because he'd voted for Trump; the hounding of Republicans out of restaurants; the intimidation and accusation of racism of the kid wearing the MAGA hat minding his own business after a pro **** event; the physical violence by Antifa on campuses when conservatives are scheduled to speak. I did mention the *********** of Sebastian Gorka and his daughter, calling him a Nazi yet, someone who had lived under Nazism and finally was able to escape from it.
and don't forget the beating up of people by Trump supporters because they dared to criticize your "golden boy" ... as he requested they do.
If you mean being intimidated into silence, well yes that's everywhere, Prager notes some of it. I'd be afraid to wear a MAGA hat in public, a lot of people are.
It is the new KKK uniform, isn't it. Shame you can't wear it outside and show your true colors.
Seems to me just to say it's not a rational position, it's based on belief or feeling. I thought it interesting that Prager called the Left romanticism, wish he'd expanded on that.
You don't know what rational is.
And "Make America Great Again" is not a purely romanticized but myopic view of American history, like thinking there was a time when America wasn't racist and that race only became a problem when some uppity blacks thought they could ride at the front of the bus and (gasp) asked to be treated as people, with the audacity to carry signs saying "I am a man" -- it's all their fault for disrupting the system. Right Faith?
Better the good old days when people new how to behave.
Liberals aren't intimidated anywhere, they are in-your-face in the street, on the campus, certainly in print and on TV, what on earth are you talking about.
Some have had enough of the right wing hate and are returning it. They've had enough of H8 radio and H8 crimes, of blacks being shot for being black. People being fired for being too liberal on tv and radio.
Push back is not intimidation.
You don't see it because you are a rabidly partisan person, like the football fan that paints their body at the games. Too wrapped up in your "tribe" to see the bad that happens to "outsiders".
You can't handle the truth. That's why you bath in H8 literature like Prager's book.
And I see you've reverted to shouting all caps again. How fitting to see your H8 filled posts.
Enjoy
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Message 38 of 308 (866430)
11-11-2019 9:02 AM
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Re: Seems Faith agrees with Prager's hate
LOL.
via GIPHY


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 39 of 308 (866431)
11-11-2019 9:05 AM
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11-11-2019 5:34 AM


Re: Seems Faith agrees with Prager's hate
WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHICH IS WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING, OUGHT TO BE PROSECUTED AS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
So you think I should be charged with a criminal offense? What charge would it be?
Do you understand the concept of self awareness at all? Cognitive dissonance? Batshittery?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 40 of 308 (866434)
11-11-2019 10:16 AM
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11-10-2019 5:53 PM


The Populist Mindset
You did start me thinking about the root causes of this ideological "war" that society is increasingly involved in. It is my understanding that Trump's "base" is labeled as Populists.
Dictionary writes:
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
"the question is whether he will tone down his fiery populism now that he has joined the political establishment"
support for populist politicians or policies.
"the government came to power on a wave of populism"
the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people.
"art museums did not gain bigger audiences through a new populism"
It then occurred to me that populism is an offshoot of white privilege. Though not a populist, I can identify with much of how they think. I have no concerns about being marginalized as long as the other cultures asserting themselves throughout the world don't attempt to minimize my position in life. Critics would say that the essence of white privilege is that it is perpetuated by maintaining an artificial construct.
Theodoric writes:
Christians will not be attacked and denigrated. They will just be marginalized and have no one but themselves to blame.
many of us resent being placed as just another one of many belief systems. We believe that our way is the truth. Granted this can be seen to be simply another artificial construct, but I am no fan of Christian Nationalism. I suppose that Jesus warned us we would be persecuted. You see it all as a myth because you fall for the mythicists position.
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Message 41 of 308 (866438)
11-11-2019 10:32 AM
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11-10-2019 12:31 PM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
I have no control over the asterisks, Phat, Percy put them there and he objects when I use misspellings to get around them..
Explain the origins of its use, please, because its so distractingly annoying that it takes away from your central message.

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Message 42 of 308 (866439)
11-11-2019 11:28 AM
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11-11-2019 10:16 AM


The Populist Mindset -- Is Populism BAD?
Curiously there is nothing wrong per se in populism in my mind. I would think that a president/leader should be popular with the population.
quote:
Populism refers to a range of political stances that emphasise the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite". The term developed in the 19th century and has been applied to various politicians, parties, and movements since that time, although has rarely been chosen as a self-description. Within political science and other social sciences, several different definitions of populism have been employed, with some scholars proposing that the term be rejected altogether.
A common framework for interpreting populism is known as the ideational approach: this defines populism as an ideology which presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving. ...
Bernie Sanders is a populist candidate, one of the reasons he could beat Humty Dumbty in a popularity contest.
... It is my understanding that Trump's "base" is labeled as Populists.
Dictionary writes:
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
"the question is whether he will tone down his fiery populism now that he has joined the political establishment"
support for populist politicians or policies.
"the government came to power on a wave of populism"
the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people.
"art museums did not gain bigger audiences through a new populism"
It then occurred to me that populism is an offshoot of white privilege. ...
That depends more on how it is used. Humpty Dumbty makes his appeals to white supremacist groups, calls Nazis "fine people" and caters to bigotry against people of color and immigrants, using "them against us" arguments.Bernie makes his appeal to working class people of all colors and stripes, using "not me US" arguments.
Humpty Dumbty draws the line between white folk and colored folk.
Bernie draws the line between working people and rich/privileged people (which includes Humpty Dumbty)
... Though not a populist, I can identify with much of how they think. I have no concerns about being marginalized as long as the other cultures asserting themselves throughout the world don't attempt to minimize my position in life. Critics would say that the essence of white privilege is that it is perpetuated by maintaining an artificial construct.
Indeed "white privilege" does play a part in Humpty Dumbty's arguments that promote it's preservation.
Bernie argues to remove/reduce "white privilege" to make the world a more level playing field for all citizens.
many of us resent being placed as just another one of many belief systems. We believe that our way is the truth. ...
Isn't that just wanting to maintain "Christian Privilege?" This is another difference between Humpty Dumbty and his fake Christianity (so he can get evangelical votes/support) and Bernie with support from muslims, christians and jews, etc.
You are just one of many belief systems, including many Christian sects.
... Granted this can be seen to be simply another artificial construct, but I am no fan of Christian Nationalism. I suppose that Jesus warned us we would be persecuted. You see it all as a myth because you fall for the mythicists position.
Pence is for Christian Nationalism. This is bad. This is what the colonization of America was to escape.
Curiously I have no beef with mythic beliefs ... as long as they don't deny scientific reality (ie - "young earth" idiocy, etc).
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Message 43 of 308 (866440)
11-11-2019 11:34 AM
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11-11-2019 10:32 AM


*****
Explain the origins of its use, please, because its so distractingly annoying that it takes away from your central message.
I'd ask Percy.
As I understand it, Percy got tired of suspending Faith whenever she got into one of her rant modes, and set up a filter to take words she used as invective/insults (eg - leftist) and replace it with asterisks.
You can usually {peek} at the message to see the actual words and her increasingly complex attempts to subvert the filter by misspellings ... instead of changing her behavior.
I don''t think it's effective, as nobody that is getting filtered seem to avoid the terms.

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11-11-2019 11:51 AM
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Re: The Populist Mindset
many of us resent being placed as just another one of many belief systems.
And that is a classic definition of white, christian privilege Tough shit.
You see it all as a myth because you fall for the mythicists position.
I fell for nothing. I followed the evidence to where it leads. As a reasoning, critical thinking person I have never had any belief in a god or the supernatural.
Your own holy book agrees.
quote:
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways.
1 corinthians 13:11 NRSVUE - When I was a child, I spoke like a - Bible Gateway

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 45 of 308 (866444)
11-11-2019 1:02 PM
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11-11-2019 10:32 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
I have no control over the asterisks, Phat, Percy put them there and he objects when I use misspellings to get around them..
Explain the origins of its use, please, because its so distractingly annoying that it takes away from your central message.
Percy censors words of his own choice if he doesn't like the way I use them somewhere or other. Since I have no idea where that might be or why he objects I don't know the origin. He doesn't seem to care if he destroys the possibility of communication, he's just out to punish me or whoever else he gives the same treatment. The words are generally ordinary English words, not namecalling or insulting words. In general however he does seem to have an ideological bent, punishing words that represent the political view he opposes. I'd rather be suspended myself.

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