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dwise1
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Message 3136 of 5796 (865292)
10-23-2019 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 3102 by Faith
10-22-2019 11:54 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Channeling Saturday Night Live with the original Not Quite Ready for Prime Time Actors (the only ones I have ever acknowledged):
Faith, you shameless hussy!
I don't need to study all the wacko attempts to pin something on Trump, it's enough to know he's never been charged with anything.
Faith, you shameless hussy!
Here yet again!!, is what Robert Mueller reported:
quote:
We first describe the considerations that guided our obstruction-of-justice investigation, and then provide an overview of this Volume:
First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or declin e a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that "the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions" in violation of "the constitutional separation of powers." 1 Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations , see 28 U.S.C. 515; 28 C.F .R. 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC's legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction. And apart from OLC's constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President's capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct. 2 Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted,
it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President's term is permissible .3 The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office. 4 And if individuals other than the President committed an obstruction offense, they may be prosecuted at this time. Given tho se considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in
If the policy is that you cannot charge a sitting President, then that sitting President cannot possibly have any charges against him. Duh????
Please wake up one of these mornings.

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Faith 
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Message 3137 of 5796 (865293)
10-23-2019 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 3133 by dwise1
10-23-2019 2:10 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Here's the Washington Post's report on Barr's conversation with Mueller after Mueller's complaint about Barr's four-page presentation of the main points in the Mueller report:
When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.
In their call, Barr also took issue with Mueller calling his memo a summary, saying he had never intended to summarize the voluminous report, but instead provide an account of its top conclusions, officials said.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 3138 of 5796 (865294)
10-23-2019 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3136 by dwise1
10-23-2019 2:25 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
If they couldn't charge him with something impeachable then there was no reason for the report at all. And there was not, but that's a trumped up reason which Mueller himself had denied, taken back, denied etc.
MAY THE TRUTH COME OUT!
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 3139 of 5796 (865295)
10-23-2019 2:51 AM
Reply to: Message 3138 by Faith
10-23-2019 2:37 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Even if the Mueller report had found nothing, there would still be a valid purpose for it. And it did find strong evidence of Obstruction of Justice as everyone knows. Even Trump knows it, which is why he keeps trying to trash Mueller. (And you have to know about. That vile habit of Trump’s is one of the reasons you love him so much)

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Faith 
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Message 3140 of 5796 (865296)
10-23-2019 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 3139 by PaulK
10-23-2019 2:51 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
There was no obstruction of justice and if there had been the report had an obligation to say so clearly, but all there is in the report is innuendo about things Trump said which do not amount to obstruction of justice. Starr's report on Clinton clearly said he had in fact obstructed justice. That is what the Mueller report had an obligation to do if there was obstruction of justice. Instead it resorted to vague insinuations which should not have been in such a report at all.

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Message 3141 of 5796 (865297)
10-23-2019 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 3129 by dwise1
10-23-2019 1:57 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
dwise1
This is totally out of order, please delete it.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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PaulK
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Message 3142 of 5796 (865299)
10-23-2019 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 3140 by Faith
10-23-2019 2:55 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
quote:
There was no obstruction of justice and if there had been the report had an obligation to say so clearly, but all there is in the report is innuendo about things Trump said which do not amount to obstruction of justice.
No, there was an obligation to lay out the evidence for the House to decide. And that is what Mueller did. The House declined to impeach then, but that decision was waffected by political considerations. The Senate would almost certainly refuse to convict because partisan politics has taken over from principles.
quote:
Starr's report on Clinton clearly said he had in fact obstructed justice.
Yeah. Let’s talk about that. Starr failed to come up with anything in the Whitewater investigation. Instead of closing down the investigation he started on the unrelated Troopergate. That also turned up nothing, but Clinton got caught lying about Monica Lewinsky. Is that really the comparison you want to make ?
quote:
Instead it resorted to vague insinuations which should not have been in such a report at all.
It was not Mueller’s job to cover up for Trump, which is what you mean.

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Message 3143 of 5796 (865300)
10-23-2019 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 3129 by dwise1
10-23-2019 1:57 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
\While in office, Trump is being kept safe from indictments by two DOJ OLC memos. As long as he is in office, he feels safe from prosecution, but the moment he leaves office then he is vulnerable for his many crimes. That is why Trump is so desperate to stay in office as long as possible.
This is one of those pernicious lying bits of fake news the Left makes up out of nothing but their own wishfulness. Trump has no reason to be worried about all of the Left's shenanigans, they are all lies. The only reason he would want to stay in office is to serve the nation, which he sincerely loves, and his supporters. The Democrats have done nothing but try to impede his sincere efforts to fulfill his promises to us, so he wants more time to try to fulfill them in spite of the utterly unjust attacks on him..

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Faith 
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Message 3144 of 5796 (865301)
10-23-2019 3:28 AM
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10-23-2019 3:25 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt ExposedThe
The only point I was making is that Starr made direct charges against Clinton and the Mueller report was a masterpiece of evasion and innuendo obviously because they had found nothing at all against Trump.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 3145 of 5796 (865302)
10-23-2019 3:31 AM
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10-23-2019 3:26 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
And the lying goes on. Trump’s desperate attempts to obstruct investigation are proof that he does have a real fear of prosecution.
He is safe from prosecution as President. But he won’t be when he leaves office.
And you can explain how Trump is working to fulfil his promise to reveal his tax returns. Or his promise to eliminate the deficit.
Edited by PaulK, : Fixed typo

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PaulK
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Message 3146 of 5796 (865303)
10-23-2019 3:34 AM
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10-23-2019 3:28 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt ExposedThe
quote:
The only point I was making is that Starr made direct charges against Clinton and the Mueller report was a masterpiece of evasion and innuendo obviously because they had found nothing at all against Trump.
Yes, I understand that you wouldn’t want the truth to come out. But the fact that Mueller presented evidence rather than laying charges is simply a result of the changes since Starr’s abuses.
Your false innuendo is just a part of your campaign to bury the truth.

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Message 3147 of 5796 (865304)
10-23-2019 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3133 by dwise1
10-23-2019 2:10 AM


dwise1 - 2 day suspension
And that may being lenient.
The "little red dot" message:
Adminnemooseus writes:
2 days. This and upthread. A rather massive violation of forum rule 10. And isn't there a FSM "suggestion" of "don't be a jerk"?
Adminnemooseus

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Faith 
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Message 3148 of 5796 (865305)
10-23-2019 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 3145 by PaulK
10-23-2019 3:31 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt Exposed
Trump made NO "desperate attempts to obstruct investigation" in fact he cooperated to an extreme extent,. He called it what it was, a witch hunt nevertheless, but obstruct it, no he did not.
He has no obligation to release his tax returns, that's just another part of the witch hunt. There would be nothing wrong in them but he knows the Democrats would carry on and on and on about some little ambiguity or other to make it seem as if there was. That's all they've done since the beginning. I hope these miserable accusers get their rightful comeuppance.

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Message 3149 of 5796 (865307)
10-23-2019 3:46 AM
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10-23-2019 3:34 AM


Re: The Muller Witch Hunt ExposedThe
I nominate you for a suspension due to your ad hominems.

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Message 3150 of 5796 (865309)
10-23-2019 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 3148 by Faith
10-23-2019 3:37 AM


Mr. Sweetie Pie - Donald Trump
Even if Donald was getting wonderful results as president, his basic personality is still "epic jerk" (to use non-profane terminology).
I think that the "incompetent boob" charge, in a sane world, should be enough to get him impeached and removed from office.
And sheesh, Faith - If DT proclaimed water to not be wet, you'd be saying that "water is wet" is FAKE NEWS.
Or something like that.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Call it a typo fix.

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