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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You have unanswered posts in dozens of threads. You could continue to make a fool of yourself in those threads instead of grave-digging. Anyone familiar with that part of the world knows it's notorious for hoax "miracles". Edited by ringo, : Added quote to clarify.Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
So you lie again. In this post you said, "I don't believe in aliens".
If you'd been abducted by aliens as often as I have... Dredge writes:
Nope.
... you'd leave a few threads unanswered too.quote:I answer every post to me, to the point of being pretty annoying sometimes. Izquierdo.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Are you worried, like Faith, that the culture is going over to "the dark side"?
... I worry that the wrong spirit is permeating the culture. Phat writes:
There is no "fallen nature". You're calling God a liar. It is intrinsic to the fallen nature to deny that God exists.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No. This has nothing to do with me. When you talk about "the Fall", you're calling God a liar because He said Adam and Eve had become more like Him. That is not a "Fall".
No. Technically I'm calling the spirit the runs you around a liar. Phat writes:
Denying Jesus Christ is rational and logical. Belief is not.
It masquerades as rational and logical yet denies Jesus Christ ... Phat writes:
Accepting reality is always fine, healthy even.
... and shepherds you into a secular evidence-based world view which ordinarily would be fine...healthy, even. Phat writes:
And you deny God when he says there was no "Fall". So why would we pay any attention to what you think the "spirit of God" is? The key that this spirit isn't of God is that it denies Jesus Christ.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Don't lie. The scripture does say that. Here it is again, for the umpteenth time:
God never said that. you interpreted the scripture to say that.quote:Note: "The man is become as one of us..." That is not an interpretation. It is an exact quote. Phat writes:
And yet I am the one who is quoting scripture.
It is your little demon...masquerading as God...who is misleading this conversation. Phat writes:
I couldn't care less what you pay attention to. But as long as you keep lying about the Bible, I'm going to point out your lies. So why should we pay any attention to it?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Are you really going to continue to deny reality?
Are you really going to continue to deny Christ and listen to that little thing? Phat writes:
You're seriously going around the bend now. There is no "it". There is no "thing". You're being paranoid. You need to get help. The serious part of all of this is that it has you convinced that it is you.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
What percentage of christians do you think have ever read their bible? I mean actually read it cover to cover.
I don't know. My mother read it through once a year or so, but I don't think she paid much attention to doctrine. My father certainly read it through and knew it well. (He may have had the same memory for trivia that I do. )
Not just taking verses out of context.
What bugs me is that they tend to think the "overall context" overrides the local context. That gives them leeway to impose their "overall" interpretation on anything.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No more than I have an overall interpretation of the library.
Dont you have an overall interpretation of your own? Phat writes:
I do point out where the scriptures get it right and where believers get it wrong. Dont you often use scriptures to support your overall interpretation?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Nothing is true because any book says it is. Sometimes, what a book says is true but we had to know it was true before the book was written.
And you know that it is right because....A) The Book says so. B) Logic, reason, and the reality of human morality say so. Phat writes:
God is not doing what humans need done, providing food, shelter, etc. Jesus acknowledged that when He told us to do it for each other.
Humans don't need God. Phat writes:
That's what Paul said: "For when the gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves...." (Romans 2:14).
We have an intuitive knowledge of right and wrong without Him. Phat writes:
It isn't so much what is "right". It's what works best in a social species. It's part of our evolved social behaviour. if so, and if God is limited to a human derived book, where did we get our intuitive knowledge of what is right?Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
When you're three, "sufficient reason to believe" in Santa Claus is a pretty low bar. It just so happened that I had a sufficient reason to believe.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I don't see the confusion. "Sufficient reason" is pretty empty. I became a believer in roughly 1993. I was roughly 34. I don't see the correlation.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're messing up the metaphor - it should be half empty and half full. Notice that the reality is the same in both cases; only the attitude is different.
One man sees empty and another sees full. Phat writes:
I'm not saying empty is better for society. Getting rid of the empty beliefs would be better for society.
Convince me that empty is better for society.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
See the story of Thomas.
... if God wanted humanity to believe based on evidence and facts... Phat writes:
Why that a bad thing?
...everyone would have no choice but to accept that God existed. Phat writes:
Beliefs that are not anchored in reality are empty - e.g. belief in gods, fairies, etc. Belief in things like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster are thin but not completely empty. Belief in extraterrestrials is sensible enough, even without any evidence - biology makes them a near certainty; on the other hand, belief that they have visited earth is extremely thin but maybe not completely empty.
Elaborate on what you specifically mean by empty beliefs. Phat writes:
You say you "would" but you never do. Why don't you roll out an actual argument instead of just an empty assertion?
If you start asserting that Jesus never existed, however, I would argue with you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
I don't see how it could persuade all of us, since we haven't seen the evidence that Thomas and the other disciples saw - so it can't be "meant" to persuade all of us. Whatever was meant, what it does do is underline the importance of evidence.
You've referred to the story of Thomas a few times recently as an example of Jesus' giving evidence of His resurrection. Quite right. It's meant to persuade all of us, not just Thomas. Any explanation why it doesn't?
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It was only evidence for those who saw it. Jesus took the evidence with Him when He ascended to heaven so it is no longer available to any of us. It can not be the point of the story.
If it wasn't evidence of his resurrection it wasn't evidence at all for Thomas or anyone. But if it was evidence of the resurrection for them then it is evidence of the resurrection for us too...
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