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jar
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Message 462 of 466 (863204)
09-22-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 461 by Phat
09-22-2019 11:39 AM


Phat writes:
You say that nowhere is mentioned acknowledgment of Jesus or God, correct?
No Phat, that is not what I have said. There are numerous acknowledgements of both Jesus and God in the stories; often conflicting or mutually exclusive acknowledgements. We've been over this a brazillion times. The description of the God in Genesis 1 is entirely different than the God in Genesis 2&3. In the New Testament Jesus performs miracles but tries to keep it a secret that he did anything but in other stories the Jesus who performs miracles to show he is divine; two mutually exclusive descriptions.
Yes, in the story all are brought before a judge. It does not say who the son of man is. It does not say who the King is beyond the fact that it is the person who will judge.
Phat writes:
If the sheep and goats judgment happened tomorrow, and one was to simply walk away from the assembly, what would happen to them?
In the story they are gathered, they have no option to simply walk away.
Phat it says is what is actually written; only what is written. Anything else is just some modern human creation.

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jar
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Message 464 of 466 (863212)
09-22-2019 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 463 by Phat
09-22-2019 4:20 PM


Re: The Idea Of A Creator In General Is Rational
Read James. Actually stop and read James.
It is all about behavior, about fighting the good fight, about running the race. It's not about doing stuff to gain credit or honor or even acknowledgement but simply because they need to be done.
The stuff about spirit is irrelevant. It is simply a distraction.
Do what needs to be done simply because it needs to be done.
We've been down this path a brazillion times before Phat. It's not the showy things, not the seen things, it's the little things like holding a door open, reaching for something on the high shelf for someone, taking the shopping carts back to their place, bringing in the neighbors trash cans; little things that no one even remembers you doing.
It's not about rewards or praise or thanks or anything except doing what you can do because it needs doing.

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 466 of 466 (863216)
09-23-2019 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by Phat
09-23-2019 2:46 AM


On taking a proof text out of James.
Phat writes:
But what do you think of the whole idea--"friendship with the world is enmity with God"?
If that is the question then I think it's simply word salad with no meaning. It certainly seems another example of places where the authors tend to post stuff that is mutually exclusive to what Jesus is supposed to have said.
It's also just another example of quote mining.

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