Who Made God?

The point is that all of the evidence still shows that humans have created every God ever discussed, that Nazism/Fascism are Conservative not Liberal political and cultural creations and that Conservative Evangelical Protestant Christians in German were avid supporters of Hitler, his policies, the Fuehrer Principal and anti-Semites.

Which still has NOTHING to do with the facts or reality.The point is that all of the evidence still shows that humans have created every God ever discussed, that Nazism/Fascism are Conservative not Liberal political and cultural creations and that Conservative Evangelical Protestant Christians in German were avid supporters of Hitler, his policies, the Fuehrer Principal and anti-Semites.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Phat, there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus (the specific Jesus mentioned in the New Testament) ever existed. The only reason anyone even knows about that character is through the stories humans wrote. But again, all of the evidence shows that Christianity, like all religions has not only changed over time but is still changing. If we look at what is written in the Bible, for example the tales of Paul's encounter or the Great Commission what we see are evolving and changing stories.It is not scholars that accuse the religion of undergoing change but rather honesty and reality. WHAT story? There is no such thing as "The Story" just as there is no such thing as "The Bible" . There are stories and variations on stories and interpretations of stories.But what is fact is that what is written in the stories is actually what is written in the stories.

But Phat, there is no "earlier worldview" or "later worldview within the book itself". You are trying to impose a uniformity and certainty that simply does not exist within either the writings or the actual history. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

First, that is simply silly. Just as there is no "Bible " or "earlier worldview" or "later worldview within the book itself" there is no "Jesus message" or "Paul's message".

I didn't make the claim but simply pointed out the evidence and ALL of the evidence says that Paul was trying to market a new religion. BUT there was never "Paul's message" rather the message changed over time as it became necessary to try to apologize for the utter failings of what was earlier marketed.Paul started as did all the other folk marketing the Christology marketing a short term "the end is not just nie, it's here" product. It was based on the belief that Jesus was not simply mistaken when he said the end would come within the lifetime of his immediate audience of that moment. It was probably the first major crisis of faith and caused a total rewrite of the marketing spiel.Paul's message changed over time and evolved to something entirely different than the early product marketed. I don't interpret Christianity. I acknowledge that the others try to market what they actually wrote and claim to believe. I simply point out when their writings and marketing contradicts what is actually written in the Bible and the Creeds and reality and factual Christian history. Again, what does the evidence show?

Yet you and all the other Apologists have NEVER presented a process, procedure, method or mechanism to explain how anyone can actually find Jesus or GOD other than through what has been written in the Bible. Which is all simply yet another example of your dishonesty as you have no idea what Mama said, mama said.Fool!But there is yet more glaring falsehoods in what you post. First the evidence is overwhelming that people find god through the religion they happen to be born into. Other find god in "Conversion" experiences. People find god through the Glorious Qu'ran, the writings of Mencius and Confucius, through Tao Chi or through any one of the many Hindu Esthetics.Second there is reality and fantasies can be tested against reality.What happens when you test the claims and writings of the apologists against reality?

There is no evidence that Jesus actually lived other than the stories; no independent confirmation. And there is overwhelming evidence that "Jesus" as recorded in the stories and traditions is a creation of human minds just like all the Gods and gods.The Jesus of the Synoptic Gospels is quite different than the Jesus of the Gospel of John or the seven different descriptions of Jesus in the letters to the churches in Revelation.It is certain that Jesus was not at all like the creations depicting Jesus in images and statues.So the existence of Jesus just as the existence of some god can only be a matter of belief; a symbol rather than the thing itself. As a symbol it is closer to apple than middle c.

Lear how to read Phat.What I posted was not beliefs but rather the evidence that actually exists as opposed to the dogma marketed.What does the evidence show Phat?Explain why the descriptions of Jesus in the Synoptic gospels vs the Gospel of John or the letters to the seven churches found in Revelations are so different?Does the evidence show that each of those is simply a creation of the author or authors/editors/translators/redactors of each passage? More than just asking those questions I also ask "What do those bumper stickers even mean?" and the response has always been deafening silence. And yet again; "What does that even mean?"