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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
In other words actual data and facts do not matter. What matters is that you will use the most tenuous of information as evidence to back up your claims. As I have stated before your mantra is.
quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Oh yeah you have that mistyped birth certificate that no one else seems to have ever seen.
The recording of the grandmother is not factual data that he Obama was born in Kenya. At best it can be used by crackpots to attempt to muddy the waters. Even if there was clear evidence that she said he was born in Kenya there is no other corroborataing evidence. Finally on that point so what? What effect other than an clear outright racist attack would it matter if he was born in Kenya? Why would it be an issue? The ravings of a mailman 30 years later than the so called incident is not factual data. There is no corroborating evidence. This mailman does not even know the year this happened. The whole premise is extremely racist. If he saw a black student it had to be Barack Obama? He was the only black student in Chicago? There is no other data or information that supports this. It is laughable that people have taken such a tenuous thread and have made it the end all and be all of the birther conspiracy. If Obama would have said such a thing to a random mailman do you not think that other people would have heard him say the same of similar things? If the Ayers referred to him as a foreign student, don't you think other people that knew him at that time would have referred to him the same way. Oh wait that is right the cabal killed them all. Well except people like the woman he lived with at the time and proposed to.Sheila Miyoshi Jager - Wikipedia Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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What made him credible? Have you seen a recorded interview of him? Who is the source of the story? What corroboration is there?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Even if he was born in a foreign land he was still, according to the law, a naturalized citizen.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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No. You are a racist.
If you were not you would acknowledge that where he was born has no being on whether he was a natural born citizen or not. Instead you continue to question where he was born. Funny how you do not care about where Ted Cruz was born even though he also ran for President. Your racism is showing. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Still waiting to see this mistyped birth certificate, that no one but you seems to have ever seen.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Hate and racism have no logic.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
So you lied that you had a copy of the birth certificate. It was a youtube video?
I highly doubt this video was of an official birth certificate, but even if it is your arguments are not supported.. Your ramblings are meaningless unless you provide evidence. Did you not post a link to the youtube video because it is ridiculous? If the birth certificate in question is from early 60's, you would see those issues you are talking about. Manual typewriters did all of the things you are talking about. A good forensic detective would not look at the things you point out, but would look to see if all the individual letters were made by the same typebar. This is actually quite easy to determine. The other thing they would examine is if the ink was the same throughout.
if one is high all should be high
Incorrect. The shift key was used to raise the platen so the uppercase letter was imprinted on the paper from the typebar. Depending on the typist this could cause the upper or lower case letter to look high on the line. When I was in college, my roommate still used a manual typewriter and this happened all the time
if one is faded looking because it didn't strike hard enough every use of that letter should look like that.
Incorrect. The amount of ink transferred during typing with a manual typewriter as totally dependent upon the pressure exerted on the key by the typist. Letters pushed by the smaller fingers were most notorious for not being as heavily inked, but this could and did happen with all letters. Also, ink ribbons did not fade or dry uniformly. Therefore in some spots the ink would not transfer as well. This is a prime example of a rightwinger attempting to discuss a subject that they have no knowledge of. Present the birth certificate in question. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Yes you will. Either from a lack of pressure to key when struck or a faded and/or dry part of the ribbon.
Wrong again. Edited by Theodoric, : subtitle changeFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
And I don’t see why the region of low ink couldn’t be narrow enough for a single character.
You are correct.Typewriter ribbons did not always dry out uniformly. It was very common to have spots on the ribbon that held less ink then spots right next to them. The technology of a manual typewriter ribbon is not that advanced Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Oh I had forgotten about the original certificate of live birth, which in fact is different than a Birth Certificate. Legally this certificate has no legal bearing. You would think the nutbags would accept this over a computer generated form as this was filled out at time of birth and put into official government records. But now a computer generated form is the actual legal Birth Certificate.
Official birth certificate.https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/...irth-certificate.pdf No one ever gets a print out of the scan of the certificate of live birth. If you asked the clerk of courts from where you were born they would laugh at you. The state of Hawai'i made an exception to this because of the hullabaloo from the idiots. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Edited by Theodoric, : image fileFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
How about you post your "long form" certificate of live birth so we can see if it is fraudulent?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I am looking at my Certificate of Birth. It is from the Beverly, MA. I have two copies so I can compare them. The first is from 1982, 20 years after my birth and obviously typed. At that time it would have been an electric typewriter, but it still has some issues. I guess I was not actually born there.
The capital B looks different through out. There are four capital B's. Two show a lack of ink on the top loop. One is much more pronounced than the other. On the place of birth line it states
quote:The second Beverly on that line has the "l" almost on top of the "r" then an open space and then the "y". For my parents places of birth, Puerto Rico is spelled out for my father, but Mass. is what is entered for my mother. Why would they abbreviate one but not the other. Forgery alert. The form uses upper and lower case letters. As I would be quite surprised manual typewriter was used at this time, my certificate shows that electric typewriters could also leave a capital letter above the line. There are three instance in my birth certificate where the capital letter is above the rest of the letters. Most evident is the B in my first name. The 1991 Certificate of Birth has a slight change of format. In 1982 there are 11 numbered lines of data, the 1991 form has 12 lines of data, adding Occupation of Mother. The 1991 form is obviously printed by a computer as it is in all caps and all the letters are uniform in appearance. Both have a rubber stamp signature of the city clerk and the seal of the city embossed. The seal can still be detected on the 1982 copy. Both of these are considered original birth certificates. If I asked for one now I would get one similar to what President Obama originally released. I would never be able to get my original certificate of live birth(what nutbag birthers refer to as a long form) which is what is originally entered into the city records. That is the original record they use to produce birth certificates. So Faith is my birth certificate fraudulent?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I didn't think it fit the forgery explanation either.
Bullshit. You have been saying that all along. If you are a birther you have to think this is a forgery. If you do not think it is a forgery than you must admit he was born in Hawai'i.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
So you admit he was born in the USA.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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