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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Earlier in this thread, I was explaining how Trump's comments to Elijah Cummings is oldfashioned racist, and it needs to be confronted.
You, if I'm interpreting you correctly, were saying Trump's comments aren't racist. What would be "the middle" position on this?It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
What would be "the middle" position on this? That criticisms of what a black person said is not the same as criticisms of a black person because they're black. In this case, Trump made no criticisms of anything Cummings said whatsoever. He was telling Cummings to stop bothering him. I would agree that it's not necessarily racist to rudely tell a blackman to quit bothering him. That would depend on the choice of words. In this case, the choice was clearly racist. You claim it's not. Is there a middle ground here we can reach?It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
From The Guardian:
Fury as Trump ally says poem on Statue of Liberty refers to 'people from Europe' Ken Cuccinelli, the acting director of US Citizenship and Immigration Services, has sparked a new wave of criticism about the promise of US immigration enshrined in the inscription on the Statue of Liberty by saying it was for "people coming from Europe". It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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From the Guardian:
Houston: Islamic group hosts Sanders and Castro as rightwingers protest This weekend, an Islamic conference was held in Houston. Bernie Sanders and Julian Castro spoke at the event.
The 56th Islamic Society of North America (Isna) convention was billed as one of the largest yearly events held by Muslim American advocacy groups. Castro and Sanders were slated to take the stage for one-on-one presidential forums. Organizers estimated around 30,000 would attend the three-day event. Of course, the racists just can't leave people alone.
In the weeks leading up to the convention, the far-right, anti-Muslim Texas Patriot Network and local radio host James Doc Greene called for a demonstration against what it claimed was evidence of collusion between leftists and the Muslim Brotherhood, according to a now-defunct Facebook page. Fortunately, the good guys won't leave alone the people who won't leave other people alone.
In response to Saturday’s anti-Muslim rally, civil rights groups, anti-racist organizations and anti-fascist activists announced a counter-protest. The coalition included the Houston Socialist Movement (HSM), the National Domestic Workers Alliance and Familias Inmigrantes y Estudiantes en la Lucha (Fiel), among others. Seemed like attendance to both protests were low, but...
On Saturday, several dozen counter-demonstrators outnumbered about 15 far-right protesters, several of whom carried firearms, from Texas Patriot Network and other rightwing groups. Dozens of officers kept the two sides separated and confined to fenced-in areas. Police also patrolled on horseback. This little item about the protests at last year's conference caught my eye:
Leaked chat logs revealed that rightwingers identified potential targets for assault, among them Smith and other demonstrators, Houston Press reported. Not that this should surprise anyone:
In late July, the California-based Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism (CSHE) found hate crimes have swelled by 9% in 30 large US cities. In addition to 75 hate crimes targeting Muslims during the first half of 2019, Cair recorded at least 759 anti-Muslim bias incidents, a pace expected to reach a 22% increase this year over 2014.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Well, I agree that any organization in the US that has stated that it's goals is to "take over the world" should be criticized. I'm not sure whether that applies to any of the organizations that took part in Isna this year.
And even if it does, I'm not sure what danger such a small minority poses to Constitutional norms in the US. A bigger danger to the Constitution and rule of law is the Trump personality cult, which seems to be able to maintain support of 40% of the voters and may manage another Electoral College win in 2020.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
By which he meant the friendliness and the tolerance he'd been experiencing among other things.... At least until some Muslims try to hold a conference.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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I think this bizarre paranoia about Trump is probably going to be the cause of more dangerous stuff than anything Trump or his supporters do. Two things in this post jump out at me. One is that I got a chuckle that you accuse others of "bizarre paranoia". The other is that I notice you didn't deny the possibility that Trump would try to stay in office past his four year term or that you'd finally have to oppose him if he were to take such blatantly unconstitutional steps. Would you like to clarify your stand on this?Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
...political subterfuges unprecedented in history.... Othwise known as Constitutional checks and balances.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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This is why I chuckled when you brought up"bizarre paranoia".
Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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It is not checks and balances, it is pure political obstructionism. But that's exactly what "checks and balances" are: institutions and procedures that obstruct the actions of government parties when they get out of line. And Trump's illegal actions should be obstructed. And Trump's morally bankrupt policies should be obstructed. And Trump's basic ignorance and incompetence should be called out for what it is.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Has anyone yet mentioned that the Governor and the Secretary of State of Hawaii checked the original records and verified Obama's birth certificate is genuine? How deep do bizarrely paranoid conservatives believe this "conspiracy" goes?
Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Are they liberals? Does your bizarre paranoia make this relevant?Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Of course once Obama's birth certificate was released, it was immediately claimed that it was a forgery. Here is Snope's response to that.
Of course, anything US "conservatives" don't want to hear is immediately labeled FAKE NEWS.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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...Saul Alinsky's.... Boy, that's another one I haven't heard in a long time!Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Snopes is left wing. It contradicts your preset beliefs, so, yeah.Hard as it is to fathom, Mr President, just because you’re the leader of the free world doesn’t entitle you to a free pass. Unfortunately, just a free press. -- Neil Cavuto
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