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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Perhaps surprisingly my 9th. grade English teacher at St. Paul's. It was another one of those small opuses they seemed to love assigning. He was also the one that turned several of us on to films like Orfeu Negro, Never on Sunday and Wild Strawberries.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1755 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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(AFAIK)They where there to celebrate the passover meal. They could not find a place to have the meal, every place was booked,so the upper room was probably a roof top.
Thats what I heard on the street. The had no idea that the incredible significance of what was about to go down. JC of course was finally laying it all down. The grail was a hand thrown mud cup, and just like most of the gospels the story grew a life of its own. But all that does not matter. What matter is what Jesus means to you personally. just my opinion. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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We tend to forget that most Christian Holy Days are simply co-opted Holy Days that were common in other religions. Even our major Holy Days like Easter and Pentecost were just repurposed Jewish Holidays.
Here is part of an adult Sunday School Class I once taught:
quote: Christianity has always adopted and repurposed most any feast or party or celebration it found in any other religion. You do not gain converts by taking away existing festivals. Christmas, Easter, Pentecost are all examples of Christianity adopting, renaming and redefining existing celebrations and framing them in a Christian mythos just as the Jewish Holidays of Passover, Shavuot and Sukkoth are repurposed harvest festivals framed in a Jewish mythos.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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Khalil Gibran . Who ever turned you on to that,,,,,,loved you. Yes, she did. If you love somebody, let them go, for if they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were. Memories. So long ago.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes: Yet the fact remains what is actually written takes precedence over the dogma of your cult. The Nicean Creed says that Jesus became man. All the claims of your cult cannot change the fact of what was actually written. You're like a drunk fool bumbling and stumbling from one dud argument to the next. The Incarnation is very clearly expressed in the Scriptures, which should take precedence of your ignorant interpretation of the Nicene Creed - but it doesn't, because you deny the Scriptures. You also claim to know better than the Catholic Church (the original and largest Church) and the rest of Christianity, all of whom consider the Incarnation to be a core doctrine of their religion. The only Christians who might agree with your heretical interpretation of the Nicene Creed would be a few misfit fringe-dwellers who aren’t considered to be part of the body of Christ - imposters like Jehovah’s Witnesses and other assorted retards and hillbillies. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes: The Roman Church was understood by the Protestant Reformers to have begun when the Bishop of Rome was made Universal Bishop by the Byzantine Emperor Phocas, and called Pope, in 606 AD, the beginning of the papal system. The early Church was called Catholic at least as early as AD107: The first use of the term "Catholic Church" (literally meaning "universal church") was by the church father Saint Ignatius of Antioch (c. 50—140) in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans (circa 110 AD) The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term) Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Admin, : Fix formatting problems.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes:
So why do bother with what you call Christianity, if it’s all a fabrication of the human mind? I point out that all of the evidence shows that every God described has been the product of a human mind. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1696 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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If you are responding to me by saying that the term "Catholic" was used to describe the Christian church early on, I'm not objecting. The term applies to the Church at large without in any sense implying the ROMAN church. Protestants also affirm the catholicity of the Church.
The historical point I was making was that the PAPACY is the defining element of the Roman Church, and that began in 606 AD. The Church also went on to accumulate more and more of the trappings of the roman pagan religions, from the robes and headdresses to the title "Pontifex Maxiumus" to the superstitions like relics and the rosary and a long list of other such stuff. Piling all that on to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ ought to have been enough to warn people this wasn't the religion of the Bible but somehow it kept on going. The true Christians escaped into the mountains and wherever they could, but were frequently hunted down and slaughtered for their "heresy" anyway. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet the fact remains, that is exactly what is written in the Nicene Creed.
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: So why do bother with what you call Christianity, if it’s all a fabrication of the human mind? While all that is in the Bible is of course the product and creation of human minds, that does not make it all a fabrication. As I have said, I am a Christian because I was raised in a Christian home, became a member of a recognized Christian Church, was educated in a Christian School and find many of the teachings, the gospel of Jesus a reasonable and practical way to live.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes: While all that is in the Bible is of course the product and creation of human minds, that does not make it all a fabrication. Well, in terms of the Bible, my idea of a fabrication is something that doesn’t come from God, but from humans. So if the entire Bible is a product of human minds, then the entire Bible is a fabrication. Nevertheless, I’m interested in which parts of the Bible you consider to be not a fabrication.
As I have said, I am a Christian because I was raised in a Christian home, became a member of a recognized Christian Church, was educated in a Christian School and find many of the teachings, the gospel of Jesus a reasonable and practical way to live.
So you’re Christian on the outside, but not on the inside. In other words, like I said, you’re a fake Christian. Do you believe in life after death? Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
jar writes:
Your interpretation of the Nicene Creed contradicts the NT, from which the Creed is derived. Hilarious. But you don't believe any of it, which makes your attempts at theology even funnier.
Yet the fact remains, that is exactly what is written in the Nicene Creed
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet the fact remains I am not interpreting anything but rather simply pointing out what is actually written in EVERY version of the Nicene Creed since 325CE.
It's also a fact the the Bible is filled with contradicts and mutually exclusive accounts of what is said to have happened. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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jar Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dredge writes: Well, in terms of the Bible, my idea of a fabrication is something that doesn’t come from God, but from humans. So if the entire Bible is a product of human minds, then the entire Bible is a fabrication. Nevertheless, I’m interested in which parts of the Bible you consider to be not a fabrication. None of the Bible comes from God unless the God is intentionally supplying false and misleading information. There is no other explanation possible since there are numerous examples of stories that evolve as they are retold and also examples of direct mutually exclusive accounts of supposedly the same event. Over the years I've covered many such examples here. Two clear examples are from the New Testament; the evolution of the Great Commission and the encounter of Saul on the road to Damascus. Additional evidence that the Bible is a creation of humans is the fact that there is no such thing as "The Bible" but rather a whole set of canons ranging from the smallest that contains only the first five books and none of the New Testament to the largest that contains over 80 books. But the stories in the Bible record the political, economic and religious mythos of each era. It is an anthology of anthologies. They are not fabrications even though written by humans. They are often examples of the conflicts and schisms that existed almost from the beginning between different competing versions of Judaism and later the fledgling Jews sect called Christianity.
Dredge writes: So you’re Christian on the outside, but not on the inside. In other words, like I said, you’re a fake Christian./////////// Do you believe in life after death? Yes, I do believe there is a life after death (yet another reason it is essential that Jesus was only human while living on Earth) but also understand that believe is unreasonable, irrational and illogical. It's also impossible to test and there is absolutely no evidence to support that belief. But if there is a Heaven I am very sure Christians will be a very small minority there and that there will be far more atheist, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews. Taoists as well as followers of Confucius and Mencius in attendance.
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