Christianity Needs to Return to Being a Good Example

Good article and good post Stile. Too often the church has focused on getting bums in the pews. Too often the church has focused on personal salvation and essentially trying to scare people into believing.The point of Christianity is to take God's love into our communities and the world. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give comfort to those in distress, home the homeless etc. That is the point. Getting new church members is good because it increases your ability to do the other things I just mentioned, but that comes as a result of doing first things first. Increasing the congregation isn't the goal but it should be a consequence of getting the other part right.As far as personal salvation goes the word of Jesus show us plainly that it is about having hearts that find their joy in loving and serving their neighbours, and even loving them sacrificially. It isn't about getting one's theology right but believing in the message of love that Jesus embodied.Read my signature.

I'm not sure that proud is the right word. It is hardly original to me. There is a line in a piece of music that we do in church sometimes. It goes like this: "so complex so simple, so clear so mysterious".On this forum we argue about the complex and mysterious all the time. It is nice to sometimes focus on the clear and simple parts. My signature in Micah 6:8 does that well.

That makes no sense to me. The Bible is a library of 66 books, written in different times, in different cultures for different reasons and with different motives. It isn't at all necessary to view the Bible as a book dictated by God but IMHO, we should view it as a book that God is able to speak to us through, with parables, histories that worked out well and not at all well, where people get it right and more often wrong, and so on.We should work our way through different Biblical writings and figure out what the message is for us. As a Christian I start with the resurrection of Jesus and work from there. Also to properly understand Jesus' message we need the OT as He is constantly quoting it in the Gospels. We can understand the message in the OT through the lens of Jesus.For example if we accept on faith the accounts in the NT that Jesus embodied the Word or the nature of God, then we can come to the conclusion that when we are told to love our enemies we can more than reasonably know that we can reject the OT accounts that have Yahweh both committing and commanding genocide.Your all or nothing approach makes no sense.

Once again it makes no sense to understand it all in the same way. The books cover a span of at least six centuries involving a multitude of authors. Even whoever wrote the Gospel of Luke said that he used a variety of sources to compile a cohesive account of what happened.The word inspired also gets way overused in this context. I think that CS Lewis was inspired to write what he did but that doesn't mean that God dictated it to him. Yes, I think that the Biblical authors were inspired but neither does that mean that God dictated it to them. In some cases in the OT the stories were written by scribes that were obviously motivated to write accounts in a way that would please their master who had the power of life and death over them.What we do have though is a narrative of a progressive understanding of the nature of God with the Israel story climaxing in Jesus. In the Gospels, and particularly in the Sermon on the Mount we can see where Jesus corrects many of the laws from the Torah and criticizes the multitude of laws that the Pharisees tried to load on the nation.Sure, you can find wisdom in all sorts of religious texts including the Bible. As John says in Chap 1, the Word became flesh. He didn't write that the Word became a book or more precisely a collection of books.The Christian religion is centered on the belief that God resurrected Jesus and that when we want to understand the nature of God and what it means to our lives we look to Jesus. Of course when we want to understand Jesus we turn to the Bible. We can read there about the accounts compiled by the the different authors of the Gospels and then we can read the epistles written by the first theologians such as Paul who had access to Jesus' contemporaries. I agree. It was a tough message. He was very political in that He was telling them that if they carried out their plans for a military revolution the Romans would do what they always did. This of course ultimately was the case. His message essentially was that the enemy wasn't really the Romans but that the enemy was evil itself. The only weapon against evil is love, and that the way to change their situation was to turn the other cheek, go the extra mile and to love their enemies. It was all about changing hearts. So, yes, you are right, it wasn't a popular message, and hardly understood for that matter. You are correct in that you can't reconcile the genocidal Yahweh with the God that we see whose nature is embodied by Jesus. As I have said to Faith it is CHRISTianity and not BIBLEianity. If you worship an inerrant Bible then you understand the nature of God quite differently than you do if you worship God as we see Him in Jesus. That's fine but it really isn't much different than being an admirer of Buddha or Gandhi for that matter. What is different about Jesus is that God resurrected Him. The Christian religion grew and spread based on that belief.

It is revered because it is the story of how the Jews worked out their understanding of God over the centuries. More often than not they were part of the problem, and were no better than their pagan neighbours. But through all of it, (starting with their monotheistic views), the nature of God as we see in Jesus gradually crept in. It is also revered because God speaks to us through the Scriptures when it is read with a mind and heart that understands it through the lens of Jesus.
I would question your comments about the Jews. Jews like Christians have various views about the Scriptures. Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount corrected what was in the Scriptures. When he talked about divorce he went so far to say that it was Moses who said what he said and not God who said it, and then went on to say that it came from hard hearts but that He was correcting it. He also said that it wasn’t about an eye for an eye but that we were to love our enemies. Christians have so often focused on the point of Jesus being God that they forget about Jesus being a flesh and blood human being. He suffered the trials and tribulations of being human, including His torture and excruciatingly painful and humiliating dehumanizing death on the cross. He went into Jerusalem as an act of faith knowing what the authorities would do to someone doing what He was about to do. Remember He prayed to the Father that He could be spared the whole thing, but through prayer and through His understanding of the narrative of the Jewish story as told in their Scriptures, and that this was His calling. He also on faith believed that the Father would affirm and vindicate His life and death.
When Jesus was crucified His disciples saw Jesus as another failed messiah but then the resurrection changed all that. They then were able to look back at Jesus’ life and teaching. He referred to Himself as the Son of Man which was an obvious reference to the Son of Man’ being enthroned over a worldwide kingdom in Daniel 7. They saw Him forgiving sins which only God could do. They came to understand that this was the time of God’s visitation, or return, embodied in the man Jesus. They saw Jesus as the new Temple where on could go meet and be forgiven by God. You can’t. The flood story is part of the great Hebrew mythologies. In it we can see a story of how God is always with us and that even if there is but one godly man left on the planet He won’t give up on us.